Wal Mart: Federal Versus WWB

[mser]

Was at Wal Mart yesterday looking for range fodder. I saw that purchasing two 50 round boxes of Federal Champion .45 ammo was $2 cheaper than a 100 round box of WWB. I've never really noticed the Federal .45 before and have always purchased the WWB.

If I purchase 9MM or 40 S&W ammo from Wal Mart I always go for the Federal Champion over the WWB due to price. Anybody have experience, good or bad, with the Federal Champion .45?

[Markis82]

Was at Wal Mart yesterday looking for range fodder. I saw that purchasing two 50 round boxes of Federal Champion .45 ammo was $2 cheaper than a 100 round box of WWB. I've never really noticed the Federal .45 before and have always purchased the WWB.

If I purchase 9MM or 40 S&W ammo from Wal Mart I always go for the Federal Champion over the WWB due to price. Anybody have experience, good or bad, with the Federal Champion .45?Personally, I have never had a problem with Federal ammo purchased at Walmart with any gun in any caliber including my CM9. Some say it is a "light load." I have not found that to be the case. Federal at Walmart is my normal range round. Look around because they have a 100 round value pack for a couple dollars less than 2 50 round boxes.

[Thunder71]

Yeah, I just get whatever is the cheapest (and of course in stock). Not much difference between the two, I just stay away from the Remington stuff.

[BrewerGeorge]

Yeah, I just get whatever is the cheapest (and of course in stock). Not much difference between the two, I just stay away from the Remington stuff.
Why's that?

[Thunder71]

Federal on left, Remington on right... seems to short and stubby to feed well so I just bypass it. Granted, it was never a problem in my Kahr, just my CZ but I grew used to not buying it.

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[TriggerMan]

Was at Wal Mart yesterday looking for range fodder. I saw that purchasing two 50 round boxes of Federal Champion .45 ammo was $2 cheaper than a 100 round box of WWB. I've never really noticed the Federal .45 before and have always purchased the WWB.

If I purchase 9MM or 40 S&W ammo from Wal Mart I always go for the Federal Champion over the WWB due to price. Anybody have experience, good or bad, with the Federal Champion .45?

There was a recall on the Federal .45 earlier this year. Google for LOT numbers.

[Tinman507]

Can't speak to .45, but I bought 4 boxes of Federal 9mm the other day. Son and I shot nearly all of it in my CM9 and his Glock (yeah, he's one of those) and they do fine. However when we got home and stripped both down to clean we both remarked at the level of crud. We're ususal WWB shooters. We sat last night with a couple of cold beverages and ran brushes and patches for a very long time until we deemed them both clean enough to reload and holster. While it was nice one on one time with my kid and the guns, it was markedly dirtier than our usual WWB.

YMMV but that's my story and i am sticking to it.

[TominCA]

I like Federal Red Box better than WWB - Because it is cleaner

[sierrajb]

Shot Federal AND WWB countless times in my PM9 with no issues at all. Would expect the same performance with the .45 and Kahr.

On a similar note, I was having feeding issues with an old .22 and a gunsmith recommended I stay away from the bulk type of ammo due to more typical problems. I wonder if the 100 ct. WWB in .45 or 9mm would give any problems?

[TriggerMan]

Our metro Detroit Walmarts aren't priced as low as what some others report in their States. Quantities on hand are usually poor too.

I buy 500 at a time, sometimes for two or three calibers, via online sources like Cheaper Than Dirt, Natchez and places that cater to LEOs (not that I'm one.). I get EXACTLY what I want and thats hard to do locally.

[Markis82]

Shot Federal AND WWB countless times in my PM9 with no issues at all. Would expect the same performance with the .45 and Kahr.

On a similar note, I was having feeding issues with an old .22 and a gunsmith recommended I stay away from the bulk type of ammo due to more typical problems. I wonder if the 100 ct. WWB in .45 or 9mm would give any problems?It is the same round only packaged differently. Therefore, I can't see the 100 round box making a difference at all. However, there are some manufacturers who make a cheaper product for bulk packaging. Especially in 22lr.

[KMA]

I have not problems with the Federal, but I really dislike Remington ammo.

[pocket pistol]

I dislike the remington stuff too. I just find it to be real dirty.

[O'Dell]

I went to WM today and bought one 100 round box of WWB and two 50 round boxes of Federal. I guess I got it half right.

[ZenthaneX]

When it comes to 9mm I've put WWB, Federal, Rem, Blazer, Blazer Brass and several foreign brands through my CW9 with no issues at all. I'm guessing .45 isn't gonna be any different. Some may be dirtier than others but that's not a big deal if you clean after the range time.

[muggsy]

There is nothing wrong with Federal, Winchester or Remington. If your gun likes it shoot it like you stole it.

[LaP]

All this time, I thought I was doing fairly well with my Remington purchases. I usually saved a few bucks, all my guns shoot it without a single problem, it hits close enough to where I'm aiming and it cleans up fine.
Now I find out I'm not supposed to be getting these results from Rem ammo. Great!!! Now I have to chuck all these boxes and go purchase some Wolf steel case.
Look out Gander Mountain, here I come.
:rolleyes:

[Markis82]

All this time, I thought I was doing fairly well with my Remington purchases. I usually saved a few bucks, all my guns shoot it without a single problem, it hits close enough to where I'm aiming and it cleans up fine.
Now I find out I'm not supposed to be getting these results from Rem ammo. Great!!! Now I have to chuck all these boxes and go purchase some Wolf steel case.
Look out Gander Mountain, here I come.
:rolleyes:I have used the Remington UMC in the 250 round value box (the yellow box) a lot. There is absolutely nothing wrong, bad, or dirty with it at all.

[ctrcs]

The Federal Champion & Winchester Whitebox in 9mm both shoot okay in my CM9 & Glock 19, but the Federal American Eagle and Magtech are both much more accurate in both guns at the range and don't cost much more.

[TriggerMan]

Was at Wal Mart yesterday looking for range fodder. I saw that purchasing two 50 round boxes of Federal Champion .45 ammo was $2 cheaper than a 100 round box of WWB. I've never really noticed the Federal .45 before and have always purchased the WWB.

If I purchase 9MM or 40 S&W ammo from Wal Mart I always go for the Federal Champion over the WWB due to price. Anybody have experience, good or bad, with the Federal Champion .45?Federal Champion was recalled in the .45s within the last year. Google it for lot numbers or call the 800 line of Federal.

[kerby9mm]

Federal Champion was recalled in the .45s within the last year. Google it for lot numbers or call the 800 line of Federal.

Triggerman How does that Taurs 22 shoot. I know they are inexpensive but they look cool in the pics. Will it shoot bulk ammo without problems like the one post in this discussion?

[TriggerMan]

Triggerman How does that Taurs 22 shoot. I know they are inexpensive but they look cool in the pics. Will it shoot bulk ammo without problems like the one post in this discussion?I will shoot some CCI Mini Mags to break it in, then I hope it shoots bulk (except Remmington, so I hear).

[muggsy]

Can't speak to .45, but I bought 4 boxes of Federal 9mm the other day. Son and I shot nearly all of it in my CM9 and his Glock (yeah, he's one of those) and they do fine. However when we got home and stripped both down to clean we both remarked at the level of crud. We're ususal WWB shooters. We sat last night with a couple of cold beverages and ran brushes and patches for a very long time until we deemed them both clean enough to reload and holster. While it was nice one on one time with my kid and the guns, it was markedly dirtier than our usual WWB.

YMMV but that's my story and i am sticking to it.

+1 Agree with the Tinman, functions flawlessly, but runs a bit dirty. Decent ammo for the price.

[n2brk]

On a similar note, I was having feeding issues with an old .22 and a gunsmith recommended I stay away from the bulk type of ammo due to more typical problems.

My Marlin 60 and Ruger MK are both a little fussy about ammo, and will not work with Thunderbolts at ALL. I started buying Blazer ammo from Dicks in 500rd boxes and it eats them all day long without any failures! Before you shell out for more expensive ammo, try the Blazer - super cheap and dead reliable in both of my .22's :)

I hope this helps :D

Wally

[bandrich]

I have had numerous problem's with Federal in the .40 in my Beretta. Two stove pipes per mag of 10. Stopped using it because of that and have had no problems since with WWB in .40 Just saying.......IMHO. :rolleyes:

[muggsy]

Federal recall notice.

http://www.federalpremium.com/pdf/45_Auto_warning.pdf

[TriggerMan]

Federal recall notice.

http://www.federalpremium.com/pdf/45_Auto_warning.pdf (http://www.federalpremium.com/pdf/45_Auto_warning.pdfSince)[/QUOTE]Since (http://www.federalpremium.com/pdf/45_Auto_warning.pdf[/QUOTE]Since) ammo sometimes sits around unsold for months and I thought my Federal Champion seemed hot (split my Sig Cocobolo grip). I tried to call. Left three messages and NEVER got a call back. Won't EVER buy it again.

[getsome]

I have tried all 3 Federal, Winchester WWB and Remington and really cant tell much difference and have found buggered up rounds in all 3 brands of factory range ammo...

I reload and the Remington brass seems to hold up for more rounds fired than the Winchester and I stopped buying Federal .45 ACP because for some odd reason they use small pistol primers where every other brand of .45 ACP uses large primers...

Last trip to the range the guy next to me was shooting .45 and said I could have his brass as he didn't reload so I scooped it up without looking and guess what, Federal small primer brass and I had to throw it all out...

[jocko]

Since"]http://www.federalpremium.com/pdf/45_Auto_warning.pdf[/URL]Since (http://www.federalpremium.com/pdf/45_Auto_warning.pdf[/QUOTE]Since) ammo sometimes sits around unsold for months and I thought my Federal Champion seemed hot (split my Sig Cocobolo grip). I tried to call. Left three messages and NEVER got a call back. Won't EVER buy it again.[/QUOTE]

sure sitting around a few months would even have anything to do with a round getting hotter. Our military ammo is cased and stockpiled for years. I think with todays modern powders this would not be the case anymore, just my assumption. I wanna say ur sig grips were defective in some way or another.

[yote]

Just bought the Federal Champion 9mm ammo. Read a warning written on the box that says. "DO NOT USE IN FIREARMS WITH PORTED BARRELS OR PORTED RECOIL COMPENSATORS".

First time I have seen this warning on a box of ammo.

[DNF]

I did not think there was anything dirtier than WWB.

[Scoundrel]

I will shoot some CCI Mini Mags to break it in, then I hope it shoots bulk (except Remmington, so I hear).

I've put about 250 rounds of the Federal bulk stuff from Wal-Mart through my 22PLY (same one as TriggerMan's) without any problems. I tried both the 550-round box (which is usually unwaxed) and the 375-round "Champion" box which is waxed. Both fed and fired fine, and so did the CCI Mini-Mags.

You just need to stay away from subsonic stuff, rounds with squared off noses, and rounds with big fat noses with lots of wax on them like the CCI Blazer.

Here are some details: http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=11177

[TriggerMan]

Since (http://www.federalpremium.com/pdf/45_Auto_warning.pdfSince) ammo sometimes sits around unsold for months and I thought my Federal Champion seemed hot (split my Sig Cocobolo grip). I tried to call. Left three messages and NEVER got a call back. Won't EVER buy it again.[/QUOTE]
sure sitting around a few months would even have anything to do with a round getting hotter. Our military ammo is cased and stockpiled for years. I think with todays modern powders this would not be the case anymore, just my assumption. I wanna say ur sig grips were defective in some way or another.[/QUOTE]


Guess I wasn't clear enough about the "sitting around for months" comment. The recall was months earlier then when I bought but I had a concern that it was still avaialble on shelves. Absolutely ammo can be good for decades.

[1radman]

Federal in 9mm is usually a doollar or 2 less. Never had any problems with it or the WWB for that matter.

[wyntrout]

I would use either of those... whichever is cheapest. I have both in several calibers.

Wynn:)

[yote]

Good deals on the Federal Champion lately. Most recently, $19.99 for a 100 round box of 9 mm FMJ.

[ctrcs]

I have shot plenty of both, but there is a marked improvement in accuracy and clenliness with the WWB.

[TheTman]

I'm probably the only person here with this problem, but my Boberg came with a big warning NOT to use Federal ammo from Wally World, cause it's not crimped tight, and the tongs pulling the bullet back out of the magazine, can dislodge the bullet. So if crimp matters to you, the Federal might be an issue. I used WWB with no problems at all.

[Scoundrel]

Man, I'd almost be nervous to put my finger on the front of the trigger guard with that thing! :)

[kgturner]

I usually prefer to buy the WWB at WM just because I always end up with a round extra. Last WWB I bought was $1.00 less than the sticker price and it had 102 rounds in the box. The box before that had 101. I don't know who's counting or weighing those boxes, but I like 'em.

Kevin T

[jocko]

illegals are counting those rounds!!! Finally they have done something beneficail in our country. A big hip hip horrah for thoese worthless fokkers!!!

[Tinman507]

http://a57.foxnews.com/images/579319/450/350/1_21_450alien.jpg

[wyntrout]

In my XD45 5" post, I shot six different versions of 230-gr ammo, including the ones mentioned so far plus Speer Gold Dots... regular and short barrel. I posted video stills of each, firing 5 shots, and the targets. I just wanted to see the differences:

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=10232&highlight=XD45+Tactical&page=3

Pictures start on page 3 post#26 .

Wynn:)

[PYROhafe]

I've ran wwb, federal, and remington through my cm9 for break in n never had a single problem. Thought the wwb was kinda dirty, but I guess just about any of the walmart stuff is kinda that way after more than 100 rounds. Found an empty brass in the wwb box... might have to start counting the rounds n see if I get lucky like kg!

[wyntrout]

When I use the WWB VP100, it's mainly for .45. I like the way the ammo is packaged and I can grab a handful for loading mags... don't have to pick up each round out of a partitioned plastic tray. I thought the rounds were pretty tightly packed, so I don't see how they could FIT extras!

Wynn:)

[tilefish]

Federal on left, Remington on right... seems to short and stubby to feed well so I just bypass it. Granted, it was never a problem in my Kahr, just my CZ but I grew used to not buying it.

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Interesting observation. I had not noticed myself but I will be comparing now.