My Hybrid P220 Sport LIVES!!! Woo Hoo

[Barth]

Friday the 13th is P220 Sport Barrel Day!

My Stainless Steel German beauty arrives UPS at about 10:30 EST tomorrow.
Just got a box of Ranger Ts for a test run.
If the gun assembles properly, I will attempt to squeeze off a few rounds at lunch!

Sig Sauer customer service said - no, no, no.
But my spider sense says - yes, yes, yes.

It's almost time for a critical juncture in the life of my reborn P220.
Can she ascend to new heights?
Or fail and reject the match grade German barrel from the motherland?

I'll keep everyone posted on the next exciting episode of:
The P220 Chronicles
-------------------------------------------------------------Update: The Hybrid P220 Sport Lives
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[KMA]

I have a P220 SAO. SIG told me that a steady diet of +p ammo is not good at all, but +p ammo for self-defense should be OK.

[O'Dell]

Wow, I thought I liked SIGs, but..........

[muggsy]

Hmmmm, Sig heil?

[LaP]

I thought Gemany was the Fatherland.:rolleyes:

[jocko]

IfI had a real need to shoot +p+ 9mm ammo which has no real industry standards for what the hell +P+ really is, then why not just buy a 40 cal and be done with it

[Barth]

It's a 45 not a 40.
With the extra inch on the barrel I'm getting nice velocity anyway.
So I've decided to just use standard pressure Ranger Ts.
The important thing is - the barrel that isn't suppose to fit?
Fits like a glove and shoots all aces - Woo Hoo!
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[Bawanna]

They left it a little long. You might take a hack saw and cut it down flush on the front so it don't stick out like Dietrichs britches use to in front.

[Barth]

They left it a little long. You might take a hack saw and cut it down flush on the front so it don't stick out like Dietrichs britches use to in front.

very funny

But I like my girls well endowed - LOL

I ordered a holster for a 5" 1911 from ACE.
And told them it's for a 5.5" extended barrel P220.
Hook me up with whatever will fit.
Just got the holster and it fits with the extended barrel PERFECT.
That's right, it's all coming together
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[wyntrout]

Dang! You could just take a hacksaw and make a slightly angled toward the front ~1/4 deep cut and have your own compensated barrel à la Kahr. A mag or two of jacketed ammo should smooth out the cuts.

http://www.kahr.com/getdynamicimage.aspx?path=40-Ported-Barrel-P9-and-CW91038.jpg&width=130&height=130

Wynn:D Note: Just a joke... not meant to be taken seriously... really! Would probably blow the forward bit off if there were burrs.:eek:

[jeepster09]

IfI had a real need to shoot +p+ 9mm ammo which has no real industry standards for what the hell +P+ really is, then why not just buy a 40 cal and be done with it

I tend to agree.:53:

[Barth]

I tend to agree.:53:

This is a 45 Folks.
The Sig website indicates that limited +P is OK.
But if used a lot will cause premature wear on the gun.
I think I want this thing to last a long time and run tight.
So I'm going to discontinue running P+.
(part of the point of getting an extended barrel was to enjoy extra velocity without running high pressure rounds)

[Barth]

My Hybrid with P220 Sport Barrel and Magazines
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Grandfather P220 Sport
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[wyntrout]

An extended barrel like that could easily be threaded in the future... for accessories.

Wynn:)

[KMA]

Wow, I thought I liked SIGs, but..........

That a handgun is not +p rated does not mean that it is not a good firearm. Furthermore, SIG does not say that +p ammo cannot be used at all, it says that a "steady diet" of +p is not good but that it is OK to use +p for self-defense.

[Barth]

That a handgun is not +p rated does not mean that it is not a good firearm. Furthermore, SIG does not say that +p ammo cannot be used at all, it says that a "steady diet" of +p is not good but that it is OK to use +p for self-defense.

Yup, Yup. I know.
I keep vacillating on whether to use +P for SD or not.
Already shot 50 rounds of +P with no troubles at all.
Have a second box of +P on the way.

Thing is, Sig in U.S. put a second slide and barrel on the gun recently.
It's like hand fitted tight and much better than when new.
More accurate too.
Then I go and add a Factory, match grade, heavy contour, barrel?
Now it's like a Swiss Watch/tack driver.

I just don't think I want to beat it up with high pressure +P rounds
and maybe loosen it up?
May still run the +Ps JUST FOR SD though.
The difference is like going from 400 to 500 E.

The good news is the non ported 5.47" barrel is going to give me
a velocity advantage even without +P.

BTW: Got a special holster for the extended barrel that fits like a glove.
Running around with this bad boy on my belt today and loving it!
I'm glad I got the old German style stamped steel slide. The balance is phenomenal.
Also got two more black oxide German Sport mags today - Woo Hoo!
https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/photos/photo26/da/ae/b1f86eb16682__1326570082000.jpg

[KMA]

Yup, Yup. I know.
I keep vacillating on whether to use +P for SD or not.
Already shot 50 rounds of +P with no troubles at all.
Have a second box of +P on the way.

Thing is, Sig in U.S. put a second slide and barrel on the gun recently.
It's like hand fitted tight and much better than when new.
More accurate too.
Then I go and add a Factory, match grade, heavy contour, barrel?
Now it's like a Swiss Watch/tack driver.

I just don't think I want to beat it up with high pressure +P rounds
and maybe loosen it up?
May still run the +Ps JUST FOR SD though.
The difference is like going from 400 to 500 E.

The good news is the non ported 5.47" barrel is going to give me
a velocity advantage even without +P.

BTW: Got a special holster for the extended barrel that fits like a glove.
Running around with this bad boy on my belt today and loving it!
I'm glad I got the old German style stamped steel slide. The balance is phenomenal.
Also got two more black oxide German Sport mags today - Woo Hoo!

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If the firearm is not for +p rated I would not use that type of ammo regularly. I am sure +p ammo will work fine for a while, but what is the price I might have to pay for doing it? I do not want to damage the firearm or eventually hurt myself. I am very careful when choosing between standard pressure and +p ammo for a .45 ACP, the reason is that I do not want to mess with a proven formula and perhaps only make things worse. IMO any quality standard pressure 230gr HP bullet will do the job very well. Remember that terminal ballistics does not depend on fpe only, it depends on other things too. If possible I prefer to have consistent performance.

[Barth]

If the firearm is not for +p rated I would not use that type of ammo regularly. I am sure +p ammo will work fine for a while, but what is the price I might have to pay for doing it? I do not want to damage the firearm or eventually hurt myself. I am very careful when choosing between standard pressure and +p ammo for a .45 ACP, the reason is that I do not want to mess with a proven formula and perhaps only make things worse. IMO any quality standard pressure 230gr HP bullet will do the job very well. Remember that terminal ballistics does not depends on fpe only, it depends on other things too. If possible I prefer to have consistent performance.

I really agree.
The more I think about it, the more I'm sure I'll just run standard pressure
ALL THE TIME.
Plus, I want to practice with what I'm actually going to shoot in an SD situation.

Standard pressure 45 230 gr Ranger Ts run
885 fps / 446 E from a 5" barrel (mine is 5.47")
And I can definitely feel the recoil difference with the +Ps.
Sometimes more isn't better.

Plus I kind of promised I would only run standard pressure
if the not suppose to fit barrel, actually fit - LOL!

That totally wasn't suppose to work...

[KMA]

I really agree.
The more I think about it, the more I'm sure I'll just run standard pressure
ALL THE TIME.
Plus, I want to practice with what I'm actually going to shoot in an SD situation.

Standard pressure 45 230 gr Ranger Ts run
885 fps / 446 E from a 5" barrel (mine is 5.47")
And I can definitely feel the recoil difference with the +Ps.
Sometimes more isn't better.

Plus I kind of promised I would only run standard pressure
if the not suppose to fit barrel, actually fit - LOL!

That totally wasn't suppose to work...

It is my belief that when talking about .45 ACP it sometimes can be a good idea to choose standard pressure ammo. I agree with you, recoil, unwanted rising of the barrel and muzzle blast are of significant importance during rapid fire. You might find the following video interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwpkknMgnCY&feature=player_embedded

However, in my opinion there is also something else we should consider when choosing between 230gr standard pressure ammo and for example the lighter 180gr +p ammo; both of them do the same thing, but they do it in different ways. I do not think I gain so much by using .45 ACP +p loadings; I gain about 70-80 fpe, but what is the price I will have to pay doing it?

One thing is if you use the same bullet weight, but it is something different if for example you go down to 180gr HP +p ammo. The 230 grains standard velocity bullet uses its weight for penetration, and because of its large diameter it does not need expansion to cause a significant damage. The lighter 180gr +p bullet uses speed to create energy for penetration and expansion, and for that reason it depends exclusively on the velocity to ensure it achieves these two goals. It is like robbing Peter to pay Paul.

The .45 ACP was designed to have some specific penetration qualities and it is a combat proven man-stopper, but by reducing its weight and changing its velocity it loses sectional density, which means that we also are changing its original penetration qualities. I might be wrong now, but I do not think that doing it is always a very good idea; if it's not broke, don't fix it.

Yes, faster rounds produce more energy, but energy is not everything in the equation. I tend to prefer the nice and soft shooting 230gr standard pressure .45 ACP. Just my $.02