Post ads ONLY after minimum # of posts

[wyntrout]

HI. I would like to propose that the posting of any ads be contingent on the poster having "contributed" a minimum number of posts to this forum -- say 20 or 25. This would prevent the people who join, post an ad, and perhaps never return or update the ad. An example is the PM45 ad by "aternie". I live in the same area and tried to make him an offer (his asking amount) by PM with no answer.:confused:
I'm not the only one who showed interest to no avail. I imagine there are many people who join forums to just post ads and forget which ones or don't check on offers or update for sales. This is aggravating and uncalled for, and such activity should not be welcome here. JMHO.
Wynn

[Bawanna]

Excellent idea. I second that proposal. If you by chance find the guy be sure and remind him that I had first dibs. Well that's a little white lie and momma said a little white lie never hurt nobody. I'm kind on the prowl for one though and I know you are too. I need to prowl for dollars first, ok ok you can have this one...........................:rolleyes:

[bradleyj37]

not all the new guys are out to screw people, i have a job and a family and dont have time to sit on kahrtalk and shoot the s**t with whoever. i post when i can post i like the info but maybe ill just stick to glocktalk.

[In-Yo-Grill]

not all the new guys are out to screw people, i have a job and a family and dont have time to sit on kahrtalk and shoot the s**t with whoever. i post when i can post i like the info but maybe ill just stick to glocktalk.

Don't be so sensitive big guy...It's a valid request. Maybe it's not "20-25" but rather "10-15". That way your response to this post will allow you to sell...lol

Seriously...I does help keep the people who never intended to contribute at bay. I'm for it.

[Bawanna]

not all the new guys are out to screw people, i have a job and a family and dont have time to sit on kahrtalk and shoot the s**t with whoever. i post when i can post i like the info but maybe ill just stick to glocktalk.

Good point Mr. Bradleyj37. Perhaps I agreed to the idea prematurely. This is the only forum I look at but you have a valid point. New folks shouldn't be penalized for being new although it doesnt take long to get 20 post on here. I see I got promoted to senior status. Didn't receive no stripes or bars or stars or bigger pay stub.????:tongue: Even long time folks could post something then forget. :confused:Would be better to require some sort of email contact to the moderators or something or leave well enough and let mother nature let the chips fall where they may?:behindsofa:
Hang around, I'll remember what we were talking about eventually. Oh yeah my PM45. Please send it asap.:cool:

[Bawanna]

Oh yeah, I have a job too by the way, at least till they catch me looking at Kahrtalk on a city computer. At least its on my lunch break while I'm savoring my peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
Having a job is highly over rated and for the common man. I'm constantly in search of a means to be supplied with lots of cash without being under the thumb of the man. Geez, I'm starting to sound like a democrat.:eek:

[Vinikahr]

As indicated before :http://kahrtalk.com/kahr-firearms-sale/1066-wtt-s-w-351-pd-kahr-p9-traded-1-31-10-a.html#post9180

[bradleyj37]

i dont want you all to get me wrong, i know there are the bad apples out there but if lets say i have a good deal on a don hume h721 that would fit a few different kahr models and i wanted to pass that along to a lucky person here on kahrtalk are you saying i shouldnt until i get 25 posts?

[bradleyj37]

hold on....

[bradleyj37]

only a few....

[bradleyj37]

more..

[bradleyj37]

posts...

[bradleyj37]

to go.

[jwr]

I can relate to both sides of this one. I help run a UL Fly Fishing site and we'll have guys come in post an ad and then we never hear from them again. If it's a good deal on a nice rod I don't mind too much :D but we did eventually make a rule requiring 25 posts or so just because some of the ads turned out to be less than honest.

On the other hand I have some XD stuff I'd like to sell and have been a member on XD Talk for several months but dang--you have to have 100 posts before you can sell anything! So even though I'd like to make someone a good deal I can't do it. Have to resort to ebay or something. Either that or just start piling up the 1-liner posts: "very nice!", "I agree", etc.

BTW, I visit XD Talk every day but usually don't have a lot to say. I just like to keep up with what's going on.

Oh well.

[Vinikahr]

i dont want you all to get me wrong, i know there are the bad apples out there but if lets say i have a good deal on a don hume h721 that would fit a few different kahr models and i wanted to pass that along to a lucky person here on kahrtalk are you saying i shouldnt until i get 25 posts?


The suggestion to this rules is not target to anyone in particlar and it is not the silver bullet to the issue. As of now, it has not been implemented. So, it would be a matter of opinion. I myself rather buy stuff from someone that has been around for a while, rather that just one that just show up and the first post is to sell something. There is always exception to the rules, there was guy in another forum( yeah the one with cheapest and flattest 9mm and with the .org) that had lots posting(regular) and with good rapport with many members at the forum and the end, he rip off a lots of people.:behindsofa:

[Vinikahr]

Post # 34.

http://kahrtalk.com/ccw-tactics-training/685-one-pipe-not-4.html

[Vinikahr]

Bradleyj37,

If you go to other forums, you will see people just posting any nonsense and not making any significant contribution to the cause, but the the only logical reasons I can think about, as per why these closed minded people are posting this nonsense, is that they are compulsive gamblers and they do this in order to build casino money to gamble even more, I seen one that actually beg for more casino money at one point.:eek:

PS. This is not direct at you or anyone in anyway:behindsofa:

[ripley16]

I've made use of a non-participating poster selling an item here and I'm glad the transaction took place. Sometimes people have something to offer but have no interest in the forum. What's wrong with that? Selling a specific brand item or accessory on a brand specific forum is only logical.

People will only post junk to get to the number required. IMHO, we need not change. It won't solve any big problem and we may be cutting off our nose to spite our face.

[hsart]

Here's my take:

1. there should be some minimum requirement to list used firearms - I'm thinking 10 posts, since you can quickly do some due diligence on the seller by searching all of his posts on this forum. Any red flags and I would run for the hills. Requiring 30 or even 100 posts would delete a lot of potential 'good deals' for our members but not really give much additional 'insurance' against bad guys and guns.

2. no requirement for number of posts greatly increases the chance of fraud as well as wasting our time (as has been noted on this forum).

[bradleyj37]

im cool with whatever. i have had very good interactions, be they very limited on kahrtalk. just dont want to be labeled because i dont have enough posts. i am working on a review of a josh bulman high ride holster and mag pouch for a pm9 that i got about a week ago so once i can give a definite opinion i will let you guys know what i think, brad.

[mr surveyor]

I am an admin/mod on another gun board and we have experienced problems with "new members" offering items for sale... for that matter, we had a couple of problems with one loonnngggg time member offering quite a few items for sale, then not delivering after receiving payment. Our policy there was that a member had to show some interest in the site, mainly to at least give others a reason to trust the individual seller to be honest enough to deliver. We finally totally canned our old "For Sale / Want to Buy" sub-forum and went to a policy that all items had to be cleared through Admin before allowing an offer to be posted in a new sub-forum, which includes full contact information for a proposed seller and buyer be given to admin.

I learned my lesson.... I won't "buy" unless it's a face to face deal. Been there, done that.

surv

[bradleyj37]

if anyone is sending cash, checks, money orders or their first born as payment for an item through the mail then they are opening themselves up to being taken advantage of, i know paypal has its downfalls but i have been using it for selling items on ebay, glocktalk and other forums and have never had one bad instance in over 600 transactions, if the buyer isnt happy then they freeze payment, if im not happy it usually means im refunding money. im just sayin there are ways to protect yourself when buying items from people you dont know....

[Vinikahr]

I've made use of a non-participating poster selling an item here and I'm glad the transaction took place. Sometimes people have something to offer but have no interest in the forum. What's wrong with that? Selling a specific brand item or accessory on a brand specific forum is only logical.

People will only post junk to get to the number required. IMHO, we need not change. It won't solve any big problem and we may be cutting off our nose to spite our face.

Nothing wrong but buyer beware should be exercised.

[Vinikahr]

I am an admin/mod on another gun board and we have experienced problems with "new members" offering items for sale... for that matter, we had a couple of problems with one loonnngggg time member offering quite a few items for sale, then not delivering after receiving payment. Our policy there was that a member had to show some interest in the site, mainly to at least give others a reason to trust the individual seller to be honest enough to deliver. We finally totally canned our old "For Sale / Want to Buy" sub-forum and went to a policy that all items had to be cleared through Admin before allowing an offer to be posted in a new sub-forum, which includes full contact information for a proposed seller and buyer be given to admin.

I learned my lesson.... I won't "buy" unless it's a face to face deal. Been there, done that.

surv

Exactly!

[ltxi]

As on some other forums.....new members post at will, but pm's restricted to undisclosed number of posts.

[jwr]

I learned my lesson.... I won't "buy" unless it's a face to face deal. Been there, done that.
surv
I'm a little nervous about buying firearms from a private party online but I have no qualms at all about accessories: ammo, mags, holsters, etc.

I've bought and sold literally thousands of dollars worth of fly rods and reels online from fellow forum members, most of whom I don't know, and so far the worst that's happened to me is that I got a rod described as excellent that showed a lot of wear--not a huge deal and his price was fair.

I've bought some holsters and stuff like that off the forums and been lucky too.

But... every time I see someone post "My new LCP or P238 or P380 or [fill in the blank] won't even shoot one mag fuil without multiple FTF's, FTE's so I'm going to sell it!!" I get a bad feeling and hope they're honest when they do. Of course not everyone is.

[Geronimo509]

The only bad thing about having to have a higher post count before posting items is it can be difficult. There are other forums I go to with much more traffic. It has been days since my last login and there are only 48 new posts! I read just about everything that is important to me and I'm not smart enough to contribute and there have been no new posts so I don't come back to check this site. :behindsofa:

[fitzgood]

This is going against the grain here but...I don't see why Kahr Talk needs to protect me from reading an add from a new member. I am capable of reading the post count of the seller and making a decision to take a chance or not. If I don't want to deal with somebody based on how many times they have posted on the forum, I can make that choice on my own. Just my 2 cents.

[ripley16]

This is going against the grain here but...I don't see why Kahr Talk needs to protect me from reading an add from a new member. I am capable of reading the post count of the seller and making a decision to take a chance or not. If I don't want to deal with somebody based on how many times they have posted on the forum, I can make that choice on my own. Just my 2 cents.

Well said. I agree 100%.

[johnh]

My experience has been that (as pointed out above) any post count requirement is easily circumvented by just posting to be posting. If you set the number pretty high that becomes more difficult, but we are a new enough forum that might make it hard for new members who really do want to participate but would be hard pressed to find enough to talk about over the first few weeks/months of membership. So for now I would prefer to leave it as is. I will revisit this from time to time as membership and post numbers grow.

Thanks!

John

[wyntrout]

Well, that sure stirred up things a bit, especially from one of our newest members. Okay, so someone can swoop in here and drop an ad. How about some rules to limit time and remove the ads by the poster or the administration if there's no response from the poster or status is not updated on sales or trades? And make sure they at least drop the ad in the proper category, which is why I brought this up. Perhaps a consent form that they have read and will abide by the rules before they can post, like a software use EULA?:confused:
Wynn

Sorry, I was typing this while John was posting his decision.:o

[ripley16]

John has made his decision. I'm fine with it.

The one last comment I will make on the topic is that we can assist each other by posting "Feedback" on the experience we have either selling or buying. This is no guarantee of course, but it at least gives a small indication as to how people conduct themselves. Leaving a final post in a for sale thread would suffice and be easy to find by others.

[jwr]

This is going against the grain here but...I don't see why Kahr Talk needs to protect me from reading an add from a new member. I am capable of reading the post count of the seller and making a decision to take a chance or not. If I don't want to deal with somebody based on how many times they have posted on the forum, I can make that choice on my own. Just my 2 cents.
If everyone felt this way the world would be a better, and less litigious, place.

Unfortunately, with the seemingly pervasive "victim" mentality, if an online deal goes bad the offended party will sometimes threaten (or pursue) legal action against the owners of the site in question, arguing that by not screening *every* member (an impossible task) and every post (an extremely difficult task), the owners are guilty of facilitating the fraud or criminal activity.

The threats are common on some sites. Actual legal action not quite so, but it still happens.

The highest profile case that comes to mind is Craigslist last year when the S.C. Attorney General vowed to pursue criminal action against the owners of Craigslist for facilitating criminal behavior such as prostitution. This because Craigslist does not attempt to verify the details of every one of the millions of ads placed on their sites throughout the country. Craislist immediately counter-sued and the Attorney General backpedaled while spinning his threats as some kind of victory.

I'm glad to hear that things won't be tightened down here. Not that it matters to anyone but I fully support the decision to leave the sales forums as they are.