Posted "No weapons"

[Deano]

What do you do if you carry to an event, and you arrive at the door or gate or entrance, and it's posted "no weapons" or "no guns allowed"? Obviously I'm not talking about a federal building, but a game, or concert, or conference center or gun show, or even a school. What do you do?

Carry it in anyway or walk back to the car and stow it away? Just curious what peoples' practices are here.

[wyntrout]

You could have added a few more options... Leave and don't return... or I never go where my CCW is not permitted... I usually DO carry to the P.O. and on base, where too many incidents have occurred... like the origin of "Going Postal"... or the unarmed soldiers at Ft. Hood, TX.

Wynn:)

[jocko]

depends, I went to a concert at consecto field house in Indy and they had a sign posted no guns and damn they were frisking everyone who entered eve, so I walkedmy gun back to the car. or otherwise had I seen just the sign. I would have said fokk it and passed on through. I just did not want any hassle I couldot believe they had a guy there frisking peole. It was a very light frisk to, like raqised ur pants cuffs, turn around, raise ur arms. He never bothered myt wife other than look in her purse.

[Micha2u]

I agree with jocko.

If they are checking I'd put it in the car but if they are not checking and it is just a "feel good" sign, I would just walk past it.

[Barth]

What do you do if you carry to an event, and you arrive at the door or gate or entrance, and it's posted "no weapons" or "no guns allowed"? Obviously I'm not talking about a federal building, but a game, or concert, or conference center or gun show, or even a school. What do you do?

Carry it in anyway or walk back to the car and stow it away? Just curious what peoples' practices are here.

Ok, I'm going to have to be specific here.
In Florida I'm not allowed to carry at a sporting event or on school grounds.
This is stated in the statues involved with legal concealed carry.
I do not knowingly break these rules.

Now if a store has a no weapons sign.
That's store policy and not a law.
It's not illegal to carry in the store and I do.
If found out they can demand I leave and I will.
But as long as I leave when asked it's still not a crime.

[RedRyder]

IN many states, if caught, you can lose your CCW permit so I opt for taking it back to vehicle. Caught myself the other day going into a doctors ofc where the front of the building clearly said "Weapons Free Zone". My car was too far away and I just said the heck with it and went on it figuring that no one was going to frisk me in there anyway. Guess it kind of depends on circumstances.

[Markis82]

Ok, I'm going to have to be specific here.
In Florida I'm not allowed to carry at a sporting event or on school grounds.
This is stated in the statues involved with legal concealed carry.
I do not knowingly break these rules.

Now if a store has a no weapons sign.
That's store policy and not a law.
It's not illegal to carry in the store and I do.
If found out they can demand I leave and I will.
But as long as I leave when asked it's still not a crime.Yup, same here.

[wyntrout]

Doctor or dentist... I'm carrying. I carry a folder to put my EDC in while I'm disrobed. You never know when a disgruntled employee or patient might decide to go "Postal".

:behindsofa:

Wynn:)

[scoose]

I usually carry anyway.

I am a retail manager and I find it funny how people like to push buttons with this. The company I work for does not disallow CCW on the property. However, if customers complain or if it causes a ruckus we ask the customers cover it up or reposition it. Just the other day I had a guy in the store with an M&P in a Desantis type leather paddle holster. A customer approached me and stated it alarmed her and she didnt think it was right for him to wear it like that. At this point my personal beliefs have to be set aside and address the customer. Let me tell you he was an absolute JERK. What it came down to was the fact that he wanted to create a disturbance and provoke me into saying something that I shouldnt or overreact.

I think I made him mad by being calm and holding my ground. He left after a couple of minutes cursing and yelling throughout the store about second amendment rights and how I am anti gun and anti American etc etc etc.

It's this type of asshat that makes us all look bad or even worse like imbalanced fanatics.

I could have easily ruined his day and have him removed when he first told me that he would not comply with my request. We don't need these types of folks representing us as gun owners and CCW carriers and if any of you are that type of person please refrain from that type of behavior on someone elses private property.

[Deano]

Ok, I'm going to have to be specific here.
In Florida I'm not allowed to carry at a sporting event or on school grounds.
This is stated in the statues involved with legal concealed carry.
I do not knowingly break these rules.

Now if a store has a no weapons sign.
That's store policy and not a law.
It's not illegal to carry in the store and I do.
If found out they can demand I leave and I will.
But as long as I leave when asked it's still not a crime.

I guess the answer to this question does depend on which state you live in. In Oregon it is not a crime to carry where posted, unless you are asked to leave and refuse, in which case you are trespassing. Of course federal buildings are the exception. School districts have tried for years to ban legal carry on school grounds here in Oregon, but have failed. As of now, it is not a crime to carry with a CHL on school grounds. It IS a crime to discharge your weapon on school grounds by anyone other than LEO. I tend to walk right past signs, knowing that if asked to leave, I must do so.

[jocko]

Ok, I'm going to have to be specific here.
In Florida I'm not allowed to carry at a sporting event or on school grounds.
This is stated in the statues involved with legal concealed carry.
I do not knowingly break these rules.

Now if a store has a no weapons sign.
That's store policy and not a law.
It's not illegal to carry in the store and I do.
If found out they can demand I leave and I will.
But as long as I leave when asked it's still not a crime.

agree, if it is the law, I would obey it, might not like it but I would obey it. no school zones here either or for that matter if the school is holding an event at a public park then it is still forbidden by law.

a sign in doctors office is not law, might be clinic policy or doctors policy and he can tellme if discovered to never come back, and looseme as a patient or be civil and ask me not to do it again or to takeit back to hte car.

My local mall has a sign on every entrace very small and u gott a go ovber to it and read their rules which they have alot there posted but it says no guns allowed. At the worst they will escort u off the grtounds, I have carried there for years, just not openly. COMMON SENSE SHOULD PREFVAIL most of the time

[ParabellumJ]

Since I live in Michigan I am subject to the following law...

Individuals licensed to carry a concealed pistol by Michigan or another state are prohibited from carrying a concealed pistol on the following premises:

- Schools or school property but may carry while in a vehicle on school property while dropping off or picking up if a parent or legal guardian
- Public or private day care center, public or private child caring agency, or public or private child placing agency.
- Sports arena or stadium
- A tavern where the primary source of income is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on the premises
- Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official allows concealed weapons
- An entertainment facility that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more
- A hospital
- A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university
- A Casino

"Premises" does not include the parking areas of the places listed above.

A pistol is subject to immediate seizure if the CPL holder is carrying a pistol in a "pistol free" area. The pistol is only subject to seizure if the holder is carrying it concealed. The following penalties may also be imposed:
First offense: State Civil Infraction, $500 fine, CPL permit suspended 6 months
Second offense: 90-day misdemeanor, $1000 fine, CPL permit revoked
Third and subsequent offenses: 4-year felony, $5000 fine, CPL permit revoked

I am not about to have my weapon seized and my CPL suspended/revoked so I follow the law. However, there is an bill pending that would allow an exemption to qualified CPL holders. I believe qualified means 9 additional hours of training.

Now if its a store that has a no weapons policy, I wont shop there. I'll take my business elsewhere because I don't agree with their policy.

[DKD]

Florida is fairly non restrictive for the most part, however we can not carry any weapons onto school ground property. Unfortunately for my wife who works for the local school board but not any any school proper is prohibited from carrying at the Dept. of Transportation. That pisses me off and they basically stripped her of her rights to self protecton both to and from home every day since they won't allow weapons even locked up in her vehicle as they are considering this school board property.
To me should a violent attach happen due to this policy I see a very large law siut in the making in the future. Any comments....?

[r2dhart]

Where I live in Indiana the list of places that it's illegal to carry (state house, schools, courthouses, etc.) in is rather short but I won't carry in any of them. Oddly most of these places do not post any signage letting you know it is verboten. Any place else that sign is nothing more than a suggestion so I carry anyway.

[muggsy]

My rule is a simple one. I don't go where my gun isn't welcome.

[RedRyder]

That pisses me off and they basically stripped her of her rights to self protecton both to and from home every day since they won't allow weapons even locked up in her vehicle as they are considering this school board property.
To me should a violent attach happen due to this policy I see a very large law siut in the making in the future. Any comments....?

I agree DKD. Lawsuit waiting to happen. My wife is teacher in middle school and last week they had a three hour lockdown because one of the kids told another teacher that "someone' had a gun at school. Sure nuff after a couple of hours they found a pellet pistol in one of the kids backpacks. When I go to her school, I leave my piece in vehicle but always feel naked with some of the wannabe gang bangers around. It's sure tuff being a teacher in todays world and you've got to do it unarmed. There has been talk of having certain well qualified teachers allowed to carry concealed but I doubt that will ever happen. :confused:

[Barth]

Florida is fairly non restrictive for the most part, however we can not carry any weapons onto school ground property. Unfortunately for my wife who works for the local school board but not any any school proper is prohibited from carrying at the Dept. of Transportation. That pisses me off and they basically stripped her of her rights to self protecton both to and from home every day since they won't allow weapons even locked up in her vehicle as they are considering this school board property.
To me should a violent attach happen due to this policy I see a very large law siut in the making in the future. Any comments....?

Even as schools continue to be the preferred slaughterhouse,
I just don't see it happening.

[TheTman]

If it's not a state building or other off limit building, I take my .44 snubby with the Barami Hip Grip handle and place it at 12:00 and go right in. They can frisk me and unless they pat down a place that will get them punched, they'll never know.

[Yogi 117]

Courthouses, Federal Bldgs, Airport Terminals & Casinos are off limits in Oregon, and I obey the law concerning these 4 places. Otherwise, I ignore the "No Weapons Allowed" sign & enter, or I find another establishment close by that isn't so blatantly Anti-2A. I usually enter, since my CHL means Concealed! Funny thing, I would suggest it's these very business owners who don't know what to look for anyway, and believe people will just lay down their weapons because the sign says so! I don't worry! :eek:

[jocko]

same thing here in Indiana besides schools ..

[Longitude Zero]

Here in OK those signs do not apply to LEO's so I carry anyway.

[Ol'coot]

If shopping I take my business elsewhere and don't go back if somewhere I must go unless I am in a state where the sign carries the weight of the law I did not see it.

[Klascojoe]

I leave it in the car. My kids school, a courthouse, some jobsites. There is a pizza joint where I live that I have eaten at for years. Several months back I went for lunch to be greeted by a brand new "No Weapons" sign. I turned around and ate somewhere else. Have not been back since. I wont go where I am not wanted.

[jdlott74]

What do you do if you carry to an event, and you arrive at the door or gate or entrance, and it's posted "no weapons" or "no guns allowed"? Obviously I'm not talking about a federal building, but a game, or concert, or conference center or gun show, or even a school. What do you do?

Carry it in anyway or walk back to the car and stow it away? Just curious what peoples' practices are here.

If it is not legally posted for CHL holders, we carry.

[tv_racin_fan]

I guess it depends. Some places I will avoid, some places I leave it home or in the car. Most places I ignore the sign and try to keep it covered.

One local pawn shop has a sign.. I'm pretty sure they know I am carrying but they don't say anything and I keep it covered. The other one doesn't mind so long as you leave it holstered (son and I occasionally open carry there).

Range we use has a sign.. we tend to ignore it and keep it covered.

Only place I have been hassled about open carry was Wal Mart on one occasion some clerk had no real clue. Most of them laugh when I joke about them carrying a firearm out the door for someone who is armed...

[JimC]

Ok, I'm going to have to be specific here.
In Florida I'm not allowed to carry at a sporting event or on school grounds.
This is stated in the statues involved with legal concealed carry.
I do not knowingly break these rules.

Now if a store has a no weapons sign.
That's store policy and not a law.
It's not illegal to carry in the store and I do.
If found out they can demand I leave and I will.
But as long as I leave when asked it's still not a crime.

This^^^

[steve666]

In Indiana signs DO NOT carry the weight of law, so as long as it is not a place which is statutorily illegal to carry (ie. school) or which has a metal detector I go ahead and carry unless and/or until they specifically ask me to leave.

[Planedude]

In Texas we have a legal signage that the place of business must post to be "gun free".
It must say this exactly:
"PURSUANT TO SECTION 30.06, PENAL CODE (TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF A LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN) A PERSON LICENSED UNDER SUBCHAPTER H, CHAPTER 411, GOVERNMENT CODE (CONCEALED HANDGUN LAW), MAY NOT ENTER THIS PROPERTY WITH A CONCEALED HANDGUN." (then repeated in spanish)
Courthouses and Hospitals here are all posted this way. One business I have found locally posting correctly is a Jareds Jelwery store. Others stores I shop in sometimes have signage that is laughably out of spec and I just carry right past it. That said I would leave directly if asked by the store manager. I would be embarrassed that anyone saw my "concealed" handgun. Most likely I would not shop at said store again as enforcement shows intent to me. Many times such a useless posting may be dictated by some (out of state) corperate dictum and may not be the ideal of the local staff.
Interestinglly enough, the local major gun show I was at this weekend was posted this way. I was there four hours and two annoucements were made on the PA reminding the crowd of the rule. I was told before that this was to prevent ADs as folks passed around handguns. There is a bit of history at Texas gun shows on that point... sad to say.
I try and be a grown up about my CHL. If I carry by choice, other will fear guns by choice. Dumb choice, but they have that right. They just need to be equally respectful of my rights and that seems to be their problem.
Have a good one.

[Mudcat]

Indiana resident here schools and metal detectors are all that stop me.

[tv_racin_fan]

Indiana resident here schools and metal detectors are all that stop me.

Mudcat, the way the law is written here it appears that I can carry into the school when picking up or dropping off. Tho I generally leave it in the car there.

[Mudcat]

Mudcat, the way the law is written here it appears that I can carry into the school when picking up or dropping off. Tho I generally leave it in the car there.

I believe you. An have it in the car but if you get out to walk the kid to the door for instance you would be in violation. I would check into it to make sure.

[Bawanna]

Here in Washington the parking lot and the walk ways between buildings are considered public domain and ok to carry. When you enter a building you cross the line.

I asked this of state, not sure what he's called. But his job is to interpret the law that the state creates. He reads it and figures out what they really mean.

Hypothetically he asked me what I do now, told him I carry anyway, he said that's what he would do too. Long as its concealed and secure it's better than being locked in your car.

I don't consider myself a law breaker but if the law is stoopid, I'll sometimes bend the heck out of it.

[jocko]

I believe you. An have it in the car but if you get out to walk the kid to the door for instance you would be in violation. I would check into it to make sure.

in Indiana it is against the law to even have the gun in ur car on school property, locked in the trunk or anywhere. If a student wants to bring his deer shoot gun andhave it in his trunk so he can get tyo the woods faster after school andit is found he is expelled. Law is very expliciti about no guns, means no guns period, permit or not.:blah:

[Barth]

in Indiana it is against the law to even have the gun in ur car on school property, locked in the trunk or anywhere. If a student wants to bring his deer shoot gun andhave it in his trunk so he can get tyo the woods faster after school andit is found he is expelled. Law is very expliciti about no guns, means no guns period, permit or not.:blah:

It's still amazing to me that some people think by making a law that it's illegal to bring a gun on campus,
a homicidal maniac is really going to give a rats ars about breaking it.

I'm just saying...

I'm sure the mass murderer was careful to park legally on his/her way into the school as well.

[gm412]

I leave it in the car. My kids school, a courthouse, some jobsites. There is a pizza joint where I live that I have eaten at for years. Several months back I went for lunch to be greeted by a brand new "No Weapons" sign. I turned around and ate somewhere else. Have not been back since. I wont go where I am not wanted.


Did you tell them? We need to let them know why they lost our business.:hungry:

[Barth]

Did you tell them? We need to let them know why they lost our business.:hungry:

Years ago a local Blockbuster put up such a sign.
At first I walked out.
Then I walked back in, located the manager and posed the question.

"If I walked in this store intending on robbing the place.
Do you really think I'm going to read that sign and change my mind?
But If I legally carry?
Then I may honor it by taking my business elsewhere.
You should rethink that sign."

The next week I noticed the sign had been removed.

[Bawanna]

Same thing happened at our Block Buster years ago. It's gone now, not sure why. Rarely went there but was nice once in a while.

I guess they must have discovered a lot of people that rent movies are gun owners. Surprise!

[Yogi 117]

Years ago a local Blockbuster put up such a sign.
At first I walked out.
Then I walked back in, located the manager and posed the question.

"If I walked in this store intending on robbing the place.
Do you really think I'm going to read that sign and change my mind?
But If I legally carry?
Then I may honor it by taking my business elsewhere.
You should rethink that sign."

The next week I noticed the sign had been removed.
That is a GREAT way to handle the "No Firearms Sign" in the window! Kudos to you. :)

[jg rider]

I guess the answer to this question does depend on which state you live in. In Oregon it is not a crime to carry where posted, unless you are asked to leave and refuse, in which case you are trespassing. Of course federal buildings are the exception. School districts have tried for years to ban legal carry on school grounds here in Oregon, but have failed. As of now, it is not a crime to carry with a CHL on school grounds. It IS a crime to discharge your weapon on school grounds by anyone other than LEO. I tend to walk right past signs, knowing that if asked to leave, I must do so.

I'm also from Oregon and as far I know the only places that it's illegal to carry are Federal buildings, post offices ( is that a federal building?) boarding area of an airport, court houses, if the court is in a building shared by another entity like L.E, DMV, etc. you can legally carry in that part of the building.
We also can open carry without CHLs. But in certain municipalities a CHL is required
All this freedom in a predominantly bleeding heart liberal/progressive state

[Bawanna]

"All this freedom in a predominantly bleeding heart liberal/progressive state "

Probably 3rd behind CA and your neighbor to the north, us in Washington.
I'm sometimes ashamed of the way people in this state think and vote.

They should only allow votes from the east side, more common sense over there.

[jg rider]

Courthouses, Federal Bldgs, Airport Terminals & Casinos are off limits in Oregon, and I obey the law concerning these 4 places. Otherwise, I ignore the "No Weapons Allowed" sign & enter, or I find another establishment close by that isn't so blatantly Anti-2A. I usually enter, since my CHL means Concealed! Funny thing, I would suggest it's these very business owners who don't know what to look for anyway, and believe people will just lay down their weapons because the sign says so! I don't worry! :eek:

Yogi, are you sure about casinos. That's a new one on me.
I was just laughing to my self about malls.
You and Deano may know where I'm talking about:
There's a mall in the Tigard, Tualitan area that has "no weapons including knives, explosive, projectals allowed at all the mall entrances. But if you enter the mall from any of the stores that have entrances facing out into the parking lot, there are no signs.

[Deano]

"All this freedom in a predominantly bleeding heart liberal/progressive state "

Probably 3rd behind CA and your neighbor to the north, us in Washington.
I'm sometimes ashamed of the way people in this state think and vote.

They should only allow votes from the east side, more common sense over there.They should only allow votes by those who work and pay their fair share of taxes. That would turn blue to red in a big hurry. Never happen, but I, like you, am embarrassed to be an Oregonian come election time each year.

[jg rider]

"All this freedom in a predominantly bleeding heart liberal/progressive state "

Probably 3rd behind CA and your neighbor to the north, us in Washington.
I'm sometimes ashamed of the way people in this state think and vote.

They should only allow votes from the east side, more common sense over there.

I know what you mean about the east side. Unfortunately for us the majority of votes are in the Portland, Salem, Eugene area. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[jg rider]

They should only allow votes by those who work and pay their fair share of taxes. That would turn blue to red in a big hurry. Never happen, but I, like you, am embarrassed to be an Oregonian come election time each year.

When I talk with people before an election, all their beliefs conservative. But we still loose. Where are the progressives hiding, are they being bussed in?

[MO_Soldier]

Carrying in Missouri here.
Absolutely NOTHING stops me from carrying except federal buildings!
Missouri law allows that.
However, if we carry in one of the places that non CCW holders can't, we can always be denied access or removed from the premises.
That's the only consequence and I risk it 150% willingly!

Funny thing though. I'm not bragging, but I'm pretty smart and have read our laws many times over. I almost have them memorized verbatim.
Anyway, when I bring up the protections we CCW holders have under law in Missouri, I'm often surprised by how many people think we have WAY more restrictions than we do.

I also started a thread on individual state's laws.

[Deano]

When I talk with people before an election, all their beliefs conservative. But we still loose. Where are the progressives hiding, are they being bussed in?

They're probably not in the stall next to you at the gun range. They hang out in all the little coffee shops, tattoo parlors, artisan pizza joints, bike shops, and occupy Portland rallies. The college campuses are full of brainwashed youth. It's hard for them not to be taken in by the rabid left wingers, who have perfected the art of creating a frenzy that is irresistible to young people. Only when they actually start working and seeing all the deductions from their paycheck do they start to question what in the h*ll is our government spending all this money on.

Not to mention the poor, of which there is no shortage in Multnomah and Washington county. The liberals have been selling the idea that dependence on the government for everything is a good thing, and way too many have swallowed hook, line and sphincter.

Ugh, makes me a little nauseated every time I think about it. Two of my kids went to Oregon, one to Oregon State, and they were surrounded by and harassed constantly by students for this or that liberal cause. I'm proud to say, they rejected it all summarily.

[jg rider]

They're probably not in the stall next to you at the gun range. They hang out in all the little coffee shops, tattoo parlors, artisan pizza joints, bike shops, and occupy Portland rallies. The college campuses are full of brainwashed youth. It's hard for them not to be taken in by the rabid left wingers, who have perfected the art of creating a frenzy that is irresistible to young people. Only when they actually start working and seeing all the deductions from their paycheck do they start to question what in the h*ll is our government spending all this money on.

Not to mention the poor, of which there is no shortage in Multnomah and Washington county. The liberals have been selling the idea that dependence on the government for everything is a good thing, and way too many have swallowed hook, line and sphincter.

Ugh, makes me a little nauseated every time I think about it. Two of my kids went to Oregon, one to Oregon State, and they were surrounded by and harassed constantly by students for this or that liberal cause. I'm proud to say, they rejected it all summarily.

You're working yourself up. That's not good. I thought Or. State was in Corvallis, a conservative area. Am I wrong?
Oops going off topic. Sorry bawanna

[Deano]

You're working yourself up. That's not good. I thought Or. State was in Corvallis, a conservative area. Am I wrong?
Oops going off topic. Sorry bawanna

It was way worse in Eugene, but still existed in CornValley. Sorry for the rant. Mods, feel free to delete. Back on topic.

[Yogi 117]

Yogi, are you sure about casinos. That's a new one on me.
I was just laughing to my self about malls.
You and Deano may know where I'm talking about:
There's a mall in the Tigard, Tualitan area that has "no weapons including knives, explosive, projectals allowed at all the mall entrances. But if you enter the mall from any of the stores that have entrances facing out into the parking lot, there are no signs.
Indian Casinos are off limits unless you have the Tribal Judge's permission to carry on any Indian land, is what I was taught in my CHL class many years ago. Every source I checked strongly suggests you check with the particular Indian Reservation rules for carry. Could the mall be Washington Square Mall? :)

[jg rider]

Indian Casinos are off limits unless you have the Tribal Judge's permission to carry on any Indian land, is what I was taught in my CHL class many years ago. Every source I checked strongly suggests you check with the particular Indian Reservation rules for carry. Could the mall be Washington Square Mall? :)

I never thought about Indian land casinos. Washington Square is the mall

[TheTman]

In Kansas right after Conceal Carry was established, some anti-gun group sent about every business a no-guns sign and an official looking letter saying that it HAD to be displayed and how to properly display it, and there were no-guns signs everywhere, several years later you hardly ever see one except at banks, Dr.'s Offices, bars, and some establishments. We can carry past the sign if it's not a prohibited building and if someone asks us to leave, we have to leave or they can call the police, and also if the sign is posted correctly at ALL entrances, then it's null and void. Like at my Dr.'s I can walk in through the Pharmacy's entrance, which isn't marked and go over to the Dr's office side without encountering a sign.

[O'Dell]

I didn't vote because I've only encountered the signs a couple of times and neither time was I carrying. One was at a hospital. The other was at a Waffle House. I confronted the manager who had put up the sign and advised him to consult WH legal about it. It was gone the next week. If I did see such a sign while carrying, I would take my business elsewhere.

[jocko]

OTHER THAN A HOSPITAL!! Just sayin.

[jocko]

OTHER THAN A HOSPITAL!! Just sayin. when the paramedics were loading me up on a stretch to take me to the hopsital I was consicious enough to know I had my PM9 in my pocektand I motioned for the chief of police who was a tthescene to come over andI whisptered tohim I ahd a 9mmin my pocket and would he take care of it to see that my wife gets it. He said no prblem. the exchange wasmade and no one seen it even happen. Not sure what the hopsital pople would have done or if they would have even discovered it but I errored on the side of caution.. sometiems like in my case one might not be able top get rid of his weapon before going to a hopsital and I cannot see in anyway if u are leaglany repreccustions from it either; Just sayin

I did not know that about the waffle house, course even for me I THINK THEIR FOKKING WAFFLES SUCK .