US Concealed Carry Assoc./ ACLDN

[sco]

I realize that if I needed to defend my life and I use a gun to do it, even if legally carried- life changes. So I'm looking to read up on case studies of use of deadly force, and real-life info on carrying concealed. I have read about USCCA and their membership. They apparently have info on their site and a magazine that has good info. Also they have something called
"Self-Defense SHIELD Protection" that offers some kind of legal help if you have to use your gun in a defense situation.

So, on the one hand- if you think you are going to die at the hands of someone else- it really doesn't matter what happens afterwards- you're alive. On the other hand- in today's litigious society any number of things could happen that could be disastrous to the intended victim, and expensive.

Does anyone have any thoughts on USCCA and has anyone used the "Shield" in defense of a case? (https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/membership/ (https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/membership/))

I've also seen the Armed Citizens' Legal Defense Network, Inc. (http://armedcitizensnetwork.org/) and I'm looking for feedback for them as well.

Thanks

[JFootin]

Here are some threads from a search for USCCA:

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=8043&highlight=USCCA

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=8409&highlight=USCCA

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=8079&highlight=USCCA

[Bill K]

I've been a USCCA member for a number of years. I really do enjoy and feel I get a lot out of the magazine. The member site isn't bad but pretty much everything there can be found elsewhere on other sites. I hate the email sale pitches of one thing or another, a big negative which may lead to letting my membership expire.

As to the "Defense Shield" offering I resisted the last 5-6 "last chance" emails gotten over the past two days. A "clean shoot" and you might not even need a lawyer (I didn't need one but got one anyway); a not so clean shoot could cost you everything you own.

[wm36]

I've also seen the Armed Citizens' Legal Defense Network, Inc. (http://armedcitizensnetwork.org/) and I'm looking for feedback for them as well.


I have had this organization recommended through an attorney that I have taken some training from. I am thinking I will join for at least a year and see what I think. It seems to me you need some kind of a plan, someone to call if you have to use your CCW for its intended purpose and find yourself in handcuffs. Massad Ayoob is also on their advisory board, so that adds to its credibility in my eyes.

Interested in others' thoughts on this and other such organizations. Thanks for bringing it up.

[kahrlover123]

I realize that if I needed to defend my life and I use a gun to do it, even if legally carried- life changes. So I'm looking to read up on case studies of use of deadly force, and real-life info on carrying concealed. I have read about USCCA and their membership. They apparently have info on their site and a magazine that has good info. Also they have something called
"Self-Defense SHIELD Protection" that offers some kind of legal help if you have to use your gun in a defense situation.

So, on the one hand- if you think you are going to die at the hands of someone else- it really doesn't matter what happens afterwards- you're alive. On the other hand- in today's litigious society any number of things could happen that could be disastrous to the intended victim, and expensive.

Does anyone have any thoughts on USCCA and has anyone used the "Shield" in defense of a case? (https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/membership/ (https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/membership/))

I've also seen the Armed Citizens' Legal Defense Network, Inc. (http://armedcitizensnetwork.org/) and I'm looking for feedback for them as well.

Thanks



This is exactly what I've been asking about.
In my area, there is a group (of defensive lawyers?) that charge $99 a year and they claim that they will defend you in case there is a shooting.

Here are the things:
1) we all know that good lawyers charge about $300++/hr
2) in case we go to trial, it can be endless hours

And for $99/yr, they offer all that for FREE? I doubt it.
Similar deal to prepaid legal, you will get what you pay for.

I just wonder if anyone know a real-case senario about this kinda of group.

[sco]

I haven't joined anything yet. I'd love to find a CCW-friendly attorney in NC and buy an hour to ask a bunch of questions.

[LaP]

I haven't joined anything yet. I'd love to find a CCW-friendly attorney in NC and buy an hour to ask a bunch of questions.

Friday night Happy Hour... local tavern.... 4 or 5 Manhattans... you're good to go for the next hour.;)

[TheTman]

I've been a member of the USCCA for a couple of years. I decided to go ahead and buy the mid level of the Defense Shield. Thankfully I've not had to use it. It does bring some piece of mind knowing that If I have to defend myself and get sued or prosecuted that I'll have money to cover a defense attorney. I'm still in the process of finding an attorney to put on retainer for a firearms related incident.

[Bawanna]

This is exactly what I've been asking about.
In my area, there is a group (of defensive lawyers?) that charge $99 a year and they claim that they will defend you in case there is a shooting.

Here are the things:
1) we all know that good lawyers charge about $300++/hr
2) in case we go to trial, it can be endless hours

And for $99/yr, they offer all that for FREE? I doubt it.
Similar deal to prepaid legal, you will get what you pay for.

I just wonder if anyone know a real-case senario about this kinda of group.

I got no first hand input on this but I know that a group of attorneys would be counting on 1000's of people paying $99 dollars a year knowing full well that they most likely won't have to defend any. Same way any insurance works. If they do have to work and aren't making wages they just add fine print to recoup any loss.

[Rainman48314]

I realize that if I needed to defend my life and I use a gun to do it, even if legally carried- life changes. So I'm looking to read up on case studies of use of deadly force, and real-life info on carrying concealed. I have read about USCCA and their membership. They apparently have info on their site and a magazine that has good info. Also they have something called
"Self-Defense SHIELD Protection" that offers some kind of legal help if you have to use your gun in a defense situation.

So, on the one hand- if you think you are going to die at the hands of someone else- it really doesn't matter what happens afterwards- you're alive. On the other hand- in today's litigious society any number of things could happen that could be disastrous to the intended victim, and expensive.

Does anyone have any thoughts on USCCA and has anyone used the "Shield" in defense of a case? (https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/membership/ (https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/membership/))

I've also seen the Armed Citizens' Legal Defense Network, Inc. (http://armedcitizensnetwork.org/) and I'm looking for feedback for them as well.

Thanks


I joined in June and bought the Gold /mid level Defense Shield. Seems like a good value. They will send tons on email spam to you. The only place worse for spam is FrontSight

[FTG2Voge]

Does anyone have any thoughts on USCCA and has anyone used the "Shield" in defense of a case? (https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/membership/ (https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/membership/))

I've also seen the Armed Citizens' Legal Defense Network, Inc. (http://armedcitizensnetwork.org/) and I'm looking for feedback for them as well.

Thanks



I have had a USCCA membership for several years. In my opinion the best part is the magazine which is quite good. The rest, I reserve judgement... My wife and I are members of the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network. I highly recommend them. They are not flashy, no hype, (unlike USCCA), they are just an association of folks with a common interest in responsible use of firearms and the defense of members who have had to make the decision to use deadly force. They are 2 different organizations with different missions, but if I were forced to choose one or the other, I would go with the ACLD as the most valuable.

[OldLincoln]

I just visited the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network and am impressed by their program. They have a PDF booklet called "What Every Gun Owner Needs to Know About Self-Defense Law" (http://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org/images/stories/Hayes-SDLaw.pdf) that is a good start especially for those who haven't considered such.

I also was impressed that their annual membership for a single is $85/yr. What I don't know is if they have enough membership to sustain the program and their cash reserves. I'd hate to pay in for several years and not have them around if I needed them.

[sco]

.....A "clean shoot" and you might not even need a lawyer (I didn't need one but got one anyway); a not so clean shoot could cost you everything you own. ......

Bill K, care to share any details? Details on the situation, the cost of defense, etc.? I can imagine that even if/when found not guilty it would still be tens of thousands of dollars.

[rjt123]

I just visited the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network and am impressed by their program. They have a PDF booklet called "What Every Gun Owner Needs to Know About Self-Defense Law" (http://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org/images/stories/Hayes-SDLaw.pdf) that is a good start especially for those who haven't considered such.

I also was impressed that their annual membership for a single is $85/yr. What I don't know is if they have enough membership to sustain the program and their cash reserves. I'd hate to pay in for several years and not have them around if I needed them.

I joined ACLDN earlier this year. From what I remember from the newsletters, they currently have about $125,000 in their defense fund...so it should be more than sufficient for the low rate of member shootings needing defense. In fact, I believe I remember hearing that they just recently had their first "claim" on the defense fund.

I would recommend this program. They aren't "insurance", they are a mutual aid society, at least in my view. They also seem to be able to get expert witnesses like Massad Ayoob to strategize and testify. The newletters bear this out, but I'm not sure non-members can read them.

One of their primary missions is education of their membership on the issues, legalities, etc. involved in a self-defense shooting. Good stuff.

[TheTman]

I just checked this week with a criminal defense attorney to keep on retainer in case I am abused by the system if I am forced to defend myself. That's one of the suggestions of the USCCA, that you already have an attorney on retainer. The one suggested by a friend that deals with the courts a lot, wanted $2,500.00 a year. Granted he was one of the best in the business, but I think I'm going to keep looking for shark that's not quite that hungry.

As for $125,000 in a legal defense fund, 2 or 3 cases could eat that up in a hurry.

My level of USCCA self defense shield offers $50,000 for a criminal case attorney, $100,000 for a civil case (They provide the attorney in civil matters), with additional money available on a case by case basis.
As of last June the USCCA had over 15,000 members.

Thanks for posting that link Old Lincoln. That should be required reading for anyone owning a gun for self defense. "What Every Gun Owner Needs to Know About Self-Defense Law" (http://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org/images/stories/Hayes-SDLaw.pdf)

I ended up with the USCCA because in my opinion they offered the better legal defense. You'll have to be your own judge on that matter.

[muggsy]

Everyone should have a personal liability insurance rider attached to their home owners insurance. Mine covers me for 500,000 per occurrence and is realatively inexpensive.