Off Leash Dogs

[MW surveyor]

No problem.
Just like the majority on here. It's a wonder how some of use made it this far.

[Tinman507]

Fortunately I've learned when to keep my mouth shut or I'd still be in first grade and sitting on the convent steps after school.

[jlottmc]

The difference comes with the .40 being expected to cause death or serious bodily injury, and the other two are not expected to do so. Part of the reasoning also is that the trainers are showing that you can continue to fight, and function, albeit at a reduced capability. Let me ask this, if a suspect is talking to a police officer and the suspect has a can of OC spray, is the officer justified in using deadly force (shooting) against the suspect? It has to do with levels of force and since OC is actually lower on the scale than punches and joint locks why wouldn't an agency expose their officers to the effects? Remember that everyone in that area will get some burny skin eyes etc. regardless of how well OC is applied?

[knkali]

OK now I got it. I made a statement and was educated why my attitiude was incorrect. Thanks for the edification. And thank you for not roasting me in the process.

To answer the question if a BGT has pep spray should the cop shoot him? Amswer: In my world if the LEO commands the BG to drop it and he does not--yes the LEO can use lethal force. I also feel that a LEO can use lethal force if you take a swing at them too. Funny when I was growing up, you always followed instruction a LEO gave and you never had the right to touch them much less swing at them or spray them with pep spray. If you have a problem with a LEO, do what you are told to do then tell it to the judge. It used to be, according to vet cops I interact with, when a LEO rolled up on a scene everyone froze. Now everyone runs for their weapons.

[Bawanna]

OK now I got it. I made a statement and was educated why my attitiude was incorrect. Thanks for the edification. And thank you for not roasting me in the process.

To answer the question if a BGT has pep spray should the cop shoot him? Amswer: In my world if the LEO commands the BG to drop it and he does not--yes the LEO can use lethal force. I also feel that a LEO can use lethal force if you take a swing at them too. Funny when I was growing up, you always followed instruction a LEO gave and you never had the right to touch them much less swing at them or spray them with pep spray. If you have a problem with a LEO, do what you are told to do then tell it to the judge. It used to be, according to vet cops I interact with, when a LEO rolled up on a scene everyone froze. Now everyone runs for their weapons.

We got a bingo right here. We've created a generation with little to no respect for a badge or a uniform. Cop so much as looks at somebody and they scream your violating their civil rights. Everythings a test.
I get sick to my stomach with the Open Carriers saying they need to educate the cops.
It will only get worse.

Law Enforcement- one of the few jobs where you can do everything right and still get fired and your career ended on the whims of others. Make no mistake, there are some cops who really shouldn't be but by and large they walk around with a huge target on their back and put up with a truck load of crap every single day that just would not have flown even 15 years ago.

[jdlott74]

We got a bingo right here. We've created a generation with little to no respect for a badge or a uniform. Cop so much as looks at somebody and they scream your violating their civil rights. Everythings a test.
I get sick to my stomach with the Open Carriers saying they need to educate the cops.
It will only get worse.

Law Enforcement- one of the few jobs where you can do everything right and still get fired and your career ended on the whims of others. Make no mistake, there are some cops who really shouldn't be but by and large they walk around with a huge target on their back and put up with a truck load of crap every single day that just would not have flown even 15 years ago.

AMEN!!!! Don't even get me started on the disrespect LEO get in this society today. Let's just say that as a future LEOW my attitude has changed overnight to the disrespect and I'm likely to start going off on that subject, but I'll leave that to vent on my LEOW forums....

[TheTman]

If you did carry a shotshell revolver and fired it into the ground to scare the dog away, would you get arrested like that feller in New Hampshire or wherever it was?

[Scoundrel]

If you did carry a shotshell revolver and fired it into the ground to scare the dog away, would you get arrested like that feller in New Hampshire or wherever it was?

Probably. The dog owner would probably be the one to call it in as well. Frighten their charging dog instead of killing it, and they would respond by putting your ass in jail.

[Tinman507]

[Tinman507]