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Thread: PM45 going back to Kahr (photos)

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    Default PM45 going back to Kahr (photos)

    I just took my new PM45 to the range for quals and initial break in. Ammo used was Speer Lawman 230gr TMJ and Speer 230gr Gold Dot. Several things occured and I inclued some photos.
    Zero rounds fired showing the dent in the upper portion of the guide spring tunnel.

    Same after 120 rounds.

    The majority of empties struck my helmet above my right eye in the forehead area. I have nicks in my helmet and a black mark on my face to prove it. After 100 rounds of ball I thought switching to the gold dots might have an effect. I still got hit and two same malfunctions occured.

    The malfunctions occured on the last round fired and cannot be cleared quickly. Notice that the casing was pulled into the mag feedlips and wedged into mag and ejection port area. The mag cannot be removed until the casing is pried out. The feed lips of this mag are now bulged about 6 thousandths. Below will be a couple of more pics.

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    Also notice the casing has gouges on the sides from impact against the mag. It appears that the firing pin was dragged across the primer creating a smear. I did not notice this fast enough to check the other cases I fired earlier.




    I called Kahr from the range and they are sending me a call tag out. I will update when I get this back to the range. I guess having a off duty pistol will have to wait for a while. Other than those issues the pistol felt great and shot well. No live ammo jammed.

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    I'd send those cases and maybe even the photos with the gun back to Kahr. I'm confident that they will fix you up quickly. I see a new slide in your future although that little ding looks just cosmetic but still not acceptable in my book. Do keep us posted as I've been seeing a PM45 in my future as well. Might be distant future as my penny bank is pretty light at the moment.
    PS- For sure mention your Law Enforcement and this is a backup gun, usually moves you right to the top of the fix it list. They seem to like cops.
    Best of luck to you and your PM45.
    Be safe.

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    Best of luck and thanks for
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    gj47, Notice the lack of the gap at the front inside of the slide. The gap wasn't machined as some others. Check this thread post and notice my PM9 pix showing the "gap" as it should be. (on page 4). Notch is a better word.
    http://kahrtalk.com/pm-series-pistol...5-issue-4.html
    That's one thing, but you seem to have other issues as well. Good luck. I hope you can get it fixed and soon.
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    there is a cut out that is supposed to be machined out in that area up front by the slide. My bet that is also what is causing your FTF and FTE issues to. Kahr will remacnine that area back out like it was supposed to be. Not the first one that we have seen like this either Hard to understand how than can be slipping through quality control ...

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    I have no doubt Kahr will take care of me in a reasonable time. I will be sending the case back with the gun as well as a picture of the malfunction. I can assure you that when I get it back I will be putting the pistol through its paces. Shooting wise the gun never jammed on any live ammo and was very pleasant to shoot as far as recoil and muzzle flip go. I don't care for Kahrs long reset triggers but the smoothness of the double action is just awsome. Once this gun gets squared away it will be with me more than any other gun.

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    My slide has the same crack and I am having malfunctions.
    I sent my PM45 to Kahr on Monday.
    It is a shame that QC is not paying attention with the PM45s.
    I have never had a problem with my HK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esmanolo View Post
    My slide has the same crack and I am having malfunctions.
    I sent my PM45 to Kahr on Monday.
    It is a shame that QC is not paying attention with the PM45s.
    I have never had a problem with my HK.
    using another gun is the right comparison. that is like saying I have never had an issue with my Glock but we do know for a fact that glocks has had some mamnor issues in some of their models. Anytime it happens to you it is not good, but I could reverse that very easily and say I have never had an issue with my kahrs but have with glocks.

    One has to know wha thte issues are to even begin to use a compairison. HK are great guns, but not sure they are issue free. This missed machining operation is simply piss poor quality control, not a design flaw. Karh will get this right for both the customer and also from inside the plant to. They hate this worse than the owner does for any time a gun has to go back for service, it is not good PR for the company. Just ask toyota that..

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    Can't compare a Kahr to a larger Glock or HK pistol. If you want to compare the Kahr to something I would look at designs that have similar weight, slide length, and slide movement. Kahr is working on the brink of the envelope on this pistol. Frankly just the fact that Kahr is succesful with the design is a hell of an accomplishment. If your like me, you bought the gun because it is smaller and lighter than just about anything out there. When we do that we open up ourselves to dealing with issues like this. Keep us posted on your progress and I'll do the same.

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