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    They do here. Not like it was in the good ole days no more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bawanna View Post
    I'd take a George Bush for life over two more years of what we got.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handy View Post
    Just like conservative politicians do.
    The republicans must be doing a good job of pretending to support the second amendment, because nearly every damn one of them has an "A" rating from the NRA. Virtually every anti-gun bill was initiated and overwhelmingly supported by the democrats. But, don't let that influence how you vote. Your freedom isn't worth that much to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muggsy View Post
    The republicans must be doing a good job of pretending to support the second amendment, because nearly every damn one of them has an "A" rating from the NRA. Virtually every anti-gun bill was initiated and overwhelmingly supported by the democrats. But, don't let that influence how you vote. Your freedom isn't worth that much to you.
    The topic of this thread is not where to vote, but if a Democrat is a hypocrite for having a CCL, and whether Republicans are hypocrites when they vote for gun control.

    I'm sure the current Republics are doing whatever they can do to get conservatives to vote for them this time around. The Republican party has been engaged in the most self destructive behavior for the last 20 years that they don't have any idea how to get elected or do anything effective when in office, except bow to whoever has their balls in a vice, like Grover Norquist.

    I'm sure there are some Libertarians out there that would love your vote and are also fully in support of gun rights. But we have a stupid two party system, so your choice comes down ineffective Democrats or spineless, economically suicidal Republicans. Neither of which are interested in governing the country on the most basic level.


    The best thing that could come out of the upcoming elections is probably the failure of the Republican party, so conservatives could start a new party that isn't so enslaved to religious extremist and Objectivism special interest groups that it can actually get elected by centrists and pass legislation. The Tea Party was a step in the wrong direction.

    Our congressional process is SO screwed up even compared to the '80s, and it isn't the liberals that have changed it. We have a two party system, and no amount of wishful thinking is going to change that fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handy View Post
    The topic of this thread is not where to vote, but if a Democrat is a hypocrite for having a CCL, and whether Republicans are hypocrites when they vote for gun control.

    I'm sure the current Republics are doing whatever they can do to get conservatives to vote for them this time around. The Republican party has been engaged in the most self destructive behavior for the last 20 years that they don't have any idea how to get elected or do anything effective when in office, except bow to whoever has their balls in a vice, like Grover Norquist.

    I'm sure there are some Libertarians out there that would love your vote and are also fully in support of gun rights. But we have a stupid two party system, so your choice comes down ineffective Democrats or spineless, economically suicidal Republicans. Neither of which are interested in governing the country on the most basic level.


    The best thing that could come out of the upcoming elections is probably the failure of the Republican party, so conservatives could start a new party that isn't so enslaved to religious extremist and Objectivism special interest groups that it can actually get elected by centrists and pass legislation. The Tea Party was a step in the wrong direction.

    Our congressional process is SO screwed up even compared to the '80s, and it isn't the liberals that have changed it. We have a two party system, and no amount of wishful thinking is going to change that fact.
    please give a synopsis of why the Tea Party was a step in the wrong direction.
    I think you have some great points but I am a bit fuzzy on your Tea Party position. Thanks in advance
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    For some reason knkali's post flipped a little switch in my non full functioning brain and I think I might have a solution all though it won't work and will never happen.

    Take out the money incentive to politics all together. All volunteer house and senate. No fringe benefits, no planes, entertainment budgets, golf course memberships etc.

    Everyone of them is rich beyond the common mans dreams and they didn't get that way volunteering, you can count on that.

    Get people in there because they want to be there to (I started to say improve the country) but now they would have to start by fixing it.

    No money from big business.

    Go back to the way it was a few years back like say Truman, who was afraid to spend a dime for fear of public perspective. Frugal so to speak, or completely opposite of the money pit we have now days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knkali View Post
    please give a synopsis of why the Tea Party was a step in the wrong direction.
    I think you have some great points but I am a bit fuzzy on your Tea Party position. Thanks in advance
    The Tea Party is a special interest group within the Republican Party, and one based on political philosophies rather result oriented policies. It is the equivalent of socialists at the extreme left of the Democrats. Like Islamic Extremists, it is a type of fundamentalism, not a plan.

    The US is a two party system, and both parties are going to remain active for the foreseeable future. While the Democratic party has been moving right, closer to centrist policy since JFK, the religious right and Tea party have also been moving right, so the political deadlock is just becoming worse. That means that Congress is just becoming weaker as a body, since it has become so hard to pass law, and Americans are growing polar in their views as the government and economy gets worse.

    The death of the GOP has been a topic for many years already. The Democrats are slowly "winning" - not because liberal policy is superior, but because the current Democratic party is more like the GOP was than the current Republican party is. And when every election really comes down to the the decision of swing voters, the party that advocates the most extreme position is least likely to garner the middle ground.

    Democratic economic policies are bad. GOP economic polices are worse - they don't even have a goal. Deregulation, small government and trickle down economics do not work when the goal is a strong national economy, but the businesses that are (un)regulated are international.


    Anyway, like too many conservative issues, the Tea Party personifies the "all or nothing" game plan that is always a losing position when the two sides are so equally matched. The GOP is dying of its own radicalism.


    To bring this full circle to the OP, conservatives have argued themselves into such an extreme belief system that a gun-friendly Democrat must be a either a hypocrite or a some sort of conspiracy, because their own extremism informs them that the opposition must also be composed of extremists. It's like reading old Soviet ideology.

    IMHO, and all that.

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    The Democrat party has been moving right? I see. Ovomit is a strong supporter of the Constitution and Buckshot Biden is a great orator. Biggest trouble with the Democratic party is overwhelming honesty, I suppose. See? I'm learning as I go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadeye View Post
    The Democrat party has been moving right? I see. Ovomit is a strong supporter of the Constitution and Buckshot Biden is a great orator. Biggest trouble with the Democratic party is overwhelming honesty, I suppose. See? I'm learning as I go.
    Yes, it has. Clinton and Obama have nothing on JFK or LBJ for social upheaval and change. Clinton, especially, was noted for being a huge centrist in most policies - including social issues like gay marriage and economic issues like free trade where he ignored labor unions.

    I'm not suggesting anyone here needs to start voting Democrat, but the current "liberal agenda" is really watered down compared to 40 years ago. Did Sandy Hook cause any national gun control to pass by a Democrat controlled government?

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    All politicians want to be centrist as you say. They want to keep everybody happy while the do whatever the heck they want to do anyhow.

    What the hell am I doing in the politics section anyhow. Oh this is RKBA.

    Would be better in politics.

    Suggest of not you won't see me voting demorat. In fact I wash my mouth out with soap everytime I say the word.
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