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Posted November 4, 2016
Need 38 short colt load for uspsa and Big Dawg plates. I have 160 & 135 Bayou and Blue 147 all 38 caliber.
Dillon 550 with .38 sizing die, 9mm bell & 9mm seater die. My concern is the crimping. I have a 9mm lee U die
and std. 9mm crimp die. shooting 627 pc (357/38) . which crimp die is preferred and how much crimp .
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Posted November 4, 2016
I started loading Short Colt with both 135 and 160s. Purchased a Lee Short Colt die set. That crimp die has no markings.
Don't use a heavy crimp, just remove the flair and a bit more.
I quickly gave up on Shorts for 2 reasons. Odd expensive brass and got some pressure signs.
Quickly readjusted the dies for 38 mid (Special cases trimmed to .900") same as 38 Super. Just works better for me. After more experiments, I cut the cases to .850". Loading 160s over VV N310 to a PF of 115.
Start low and work up.
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Posted November 4, 2016 (edited)
38 sht colt
3.0 grs titegroup
160 Bayou
1.150 col
.002 crimp Lee fcd
129 pf, very accurate out of my 2 627's
Edited November 4, 2016 by jcc7x7
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Posted November 4, 2016
I use the Lee 38 special "U" die with the Lee 38 short Colt due set with the Lee FCD (9mm) with no problems with the 160 Bayous. My crimp is approximate .001. I would think that if your brass isn't expanding and you only use that gun, you shouldn't have any problems. When I shot short colts out of my 9mm cylinder they bulged really bad and I chose not to shoot them in that gun anymore.
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Posted November 6, 2016 (edited)
Bayou 160 Coated RN 38 short colt f100 OAL 1.180 Taper Crimp .370 2.7 clays or 3.0 titegroup give 830+f/s & 130+PF.
When I tried to drop the OAL below 1.180 found an occasional bulged case from a combo of bullet too deep and the web of case too thick.
25 yd accuracy in my 627 pc 5" is one ragged hole 1.5" or less. Recoil is bunny fart type to me, less than any 9mm semi-auto.
Tried Roll Crimp and didn't see any advantage, so I'm using a Taper Crimp at anything from .365 to .371. Don't see any bullet pull and the Taper Crimp seems to feed smoother.
Haven't seen any pressure issues, well one 147 plated load that I loaded with way too much powder and had a sticky case issue, but not with any of my other sane loads.
Another note if you use the light clays load get the Dillon Small Powder Charge Bar and if you have an option Don't Use the new style powder measure. The anti=double feed arm seems to cause light loads with clays at the 2.7 charge weight. The Titegroup load seems more consistent in the new Dillon powder measure, Titegroup just seems to get the gun hotter quicker.
FWIW my gun loves the 160 but the lighter bullet weights, and I did try the 135 Bayou's, added an inch or more to the groups.
Edited November 6, 2016 by pskys2
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Posted September 12, 2016
I just got a 627 and intend to 38 Shoot Short Colt brass out of it for ICORE. I have a plethora of WSF powder on hand as I stocked up for use with 9mm in my now retired 929(learned to hate that gun). I norrmaly just set out to R&D loads myself and enjoy doing so. Unfortunately I dont have the time to spend collecting data and results these days. Si I am going the time saver route and asking you folks if you have already experimented with WSF in the short colt and to share your data and load as well as dislikes or likes. I appreciate anything you can share.
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Posted September 14, 2016
I loaded wsf for short colt using 9mm load data with no problems. I was shooting 148 grain hbwc for entertainment.
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Posted September 15, 2016
usually takes a bit more powder in the short colt.
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Posted September 17, 2016
4.2 gr over a cast and hitek coated 135 gr RN made 123 pf out of my 627-5 PC. Accuracy was not too good. I will do some more experimenting with different weight bullets. Unfortunately it wont be for another month. The Barrel was mounted on a considerable cant(over rotated) of which I was gonna let slide as Im shooting open revo and the canted sight was a non issue. But after my second round of test loads the action got stiff and I found the cylinder is dragging across the barrel face. Most likely because the barrel was overtightened closing off the cylinder gap. THen again it could be too much end shake too. It's not out of the question for what I've seen roll out of the S&W Perfromance (or as I call it the "Poorformance) Center. It on its way back to Springfield MA for a proper fix, or hopes of a proper fix....never know with them these days!
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2010 Connecticut State ICORE Championship Open Div., High Unclassified
'12 &'13 ICORE New England Regional Championships 3rd Place -Open Division.
2014 ICORE New England Regional Championships Overall Runner Up
2015 ICORE New England Regional Championships 2nd Place Open, 3rd Overal