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    Default Um.. Utah.. WHAT?

    https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2017/0...jorly-screwed/

    Utah House is advancing a so-called “constitutional carry” bill that won’t allow citizens to carry a loaded gun.
    You’d call that nuts, right?

    Sadly, that’s exactly what we’re seeing with House Bill 112, which should be mocked as the “Israeli Constitutional Carry” bill, because it does not allow citizens to carry a firearm with a round in the chamber.

    HB 112 would only allow individuals to carry a concealed firearm without a permit so long as a cartridge is not chambered or in the case of a revolver, two empty consecutive chambers in the cylinder. This bill would apply additional restrictions on the way an individual chooses to defend themselves.

    Utah’s current open carry statute is bizarre.

    It requires “two actions” to fire an open carried gun. For a semi-automatic pistol, that means have a loaded magazine, but must carry on an empty chamber so that you have to cycle it (action one) before you can pull the trigger (action two). For double-action revolvers, the requirement is even more bizarre. You have to have the hammer resting on an empty chamber (otherwise it is “loaded,” even though that isn’t the round that will be fired), and the next chamber has to be empty as well. You have to pull the trigger twice (two actions) and you’re down two rounds. House Bill 112 fails to rectify this absurdity of Utah-specific law in a”Israeli Constitutional Carry” (the Israeli military famously requires their military to carry pistols on an empty chamber because they don’t have the time/budget to train short-term conscripts to use them properly) bill that leaves gun owners who decide to open carry in a very poor tactical situation, where they cannot immediately use their firearm.

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    So....the criminals are gonna carry without one in the pipe too, just to even things up?

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    "Time out, Time out!! Just a second... almost there... OK, stop! I have a gun!"
    Judging by today's left wing, looks like Senator Joe McCarthy was right after all.

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    We've been trying to pass this thing for a couple of years now. The Governor doesn't like the idea, he refused to sign two years ago and last year the legislature wouldn't ever bring it up. This year the Utah Shooting Sports Council (USSC) tried again, but a lot of the legislators are nervous about the idea of just anybody carrying. So the bill has been amended with a poison pill. I'm not sure how serious they really are.

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    Hmmm. A 3 shot J-frame...
    ​O|||||||O

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    Quote Originally Posted by b4uqzme View Post
    Hmmm. A 3 shot J-frame...
    My VERY first thought also.

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    I wonder how many NDs would occur with law enforcement now tasked with examining unfamiliar firearms for loaded cartridges. Think of all the opportunities for accidents.

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    Last edited by SaltyNC; 02-17-2017 at 04:19 PM.

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    NONE! their will NEVER be a round (or two) in any chamber - because EVERYONE is law abiding... riiiight? Riiiiiiiiight!

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    So how are they going to enforce this? Force everyone to open carry so their guns can be checked or have the cops search everyone they see walking down a street? Another unenforceable "feel good" law. I swear the "California disease" is spreading everywhere.
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    Doesn't make much sense to me.

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