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Thread: Please help fix a 2A problem on the White House web site

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    "it states very clearly the right to keep and bear arms is for "BEING NECCESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE"."

    That isn't what the amendment says.

    The amendment quite clearly says "a well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free state".. it does not put any restriction or condition on the right of the people to keep and bear arms tho it does put a restriction on Govt which shall not infringe on the right of the people.

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    Sadly, it means what the courts and ultimately SCOTUS tells us it means... Our interpretation and opinions are as worthless as **** on a boar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_usn_ret View Post
    I think people really fail to understand in our way of government.,,,, The 2nd Amendment is one allowable means given to us by our government but does not limit our self defense to firearms only,,,,,<br>....In reality the words within the Second Amendment state nothing about self defense....it states very clearly the right to keep and bear arms is for "BEING NECCESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE". Our judicial system has interpreted that to mean various things that have GIVEN us the right to carry and use firearms for self protection. The biggest thing of all that is never discussed....the Bill of Rights was never voted on by the people of the country.....It was the individual state legislators that ratified the Bill of Rights...NOT the citizens voting on it.
    "I think people really fail to understand in our way of government" Yes they do and they continue to do so .....

    "The 2nd Amendment is one allowable means given to us by our government but does not limit our self defense to firearms only,,,,," NOPE, not given to us by our govt. A reminder TO the govt to NOT infringe on that Natural right.

    OK, the Constitution was being debated and in the process of getting ratified. The two main factions were the "Federalists" - rich educated folks from the urban cities, who thought the rural farmers were too stupid to govern themselves, so they favored a large, strong central govt.. Today , they're called democrats. The other faction were the 'anti-Federalists"- of course, the rural farmers. They absolutely didn't trust the Federalists, and wanted a small, not strong central govt. The "Antis " demanded that the Bill of Rights be IN the Constitution, to remind the govt to NOT infringe on those rights. The Federalists said that the Constitution itself would provide that and the BOR didn't need to be in there. The Antis refused to ratify the Constitution unless the BOR was in there, and THEY won out.

    Of course , they didn't intend for the BOR to be the complete list of all our natural rights, so the 10thA spelled that out. BUT, those were the most important to them, at that time, as those were the issues that they were oppressed over by the British Crown. The 2A was worded as it was as a direct result of the Shays Rebellion, in Mass, so that state demanded that the 2A, be worded that way, as they had NO authority to stop the rebellion,.under the Articles of Confederation.&nbsp; Of course, they didn't intend for the the right to keep and bear arms be exclusively for " a well regulated militia, the security of a free state", as they themselves carried guns for several different reasons back then- hunting, self defense, and war specifically against tyrannical govt.. And they knew that the "militia" was ALL able bodied American citizens, NOT the Natl Guard.

    Luckily, today's SCOTUS recognized that in Heller, and McDonald, and Bruen- that we have the natural right to RKBA, for hunting, shooting sports, self defense and for a tyrannical govt. Regardless of how the 2A is worded. The thing is, it's structured the way it is on purpose. See the first part is an incomplete sentence, it cannot stand on it's own. it makes NO sense: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state. That could actually be dropped, and the REST of the 2A, the complete sentence, would STILL make perfect sense: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" Yes, it doesn't say WHY, because it doesn't matter WHY.

    "The biggest thing of all that is never discussed....the Bill of Rights was never voted on by the people of the country.....It was the individual state legislators that ratified the Bill of Rights...NOT the citizens voting on it" Well, it's never discussed because the Constitution hadn't been ratified yet, so that issue is moot... However, the citizens DID vote on the Reps to go ratify it, so...
    Last edited by Gatorman; 03-24-2023 at 09:54 AM.

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