New Sights

[Bawanna]

https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p365-sas.html

I got a chance to fondle a Sig 365 with them new SAS sights. No front sight and the rear is laid into the slide so it's flush.
In a nutshell I was actually pretty impressed, I didn't think it would fly for me but it took off and worked.
Only down fall is it pretty much disappears in very low light, but I don't go out much in the dark and carry a flashlight when I do so I suspect it would work ok.

It completely relies on having two eyes, dominate eye on the dot in the circle and non dominant on the target. Where they overlap is where you hit.

The Sig itself doesn't totally sing for me although it wasn't bad. If I ever run across a Hellcat I'd like to hold one of those. I think they make this sight for Kahrs, but don't recall which models. Might be a plan there somewhere too.

Right now I'm focusing all my marbles on a Sig P210 Target, its' been on the list for a long time and this keep up with Greg stuff is a full time and costly mission. Maybe I should start one of them thar go fund me dealy hymers?

[DavidR]

I’m pretty sure it’s a night sight so you would be okay at night.

[gb6491]

I have a buddy that bought a P365 with the SAS sight. He sold it after one range trip as he didn't like the sights in dim light. Still, I'd like to shoot one to see for myself. I do really like my 365 with the Xray3 sights.

I picked up a Hellcat, but I am not as enamored by it. With the flat base plate on the 11 round magazine, i find it more difficult to shoot as accurately as either my PM9 or P365. With the 13 round mag, it handles much better for me, but then it's a larger footprint. I also felt the need to smooth out some sharp edges on it's frame and trigger.
I'm not saying it's a bad gun, as it runs fine and I can shoot it accurately, I just find it takes more work for me to do so. I'm talking pin point accuracy here, it's fine for torso size targets at 10 yds. with little effort. A better trigger would probably bring it online with the other guns I mentioned.

Regards,
Greg

[gb6491]

I have a buddy that bought a P365 with the SAS sight. He sold it after one range trip as he didn't like the sights in dim light. Still, I'd like to shoot one to see for myself. I do really like my 365 with the Xray3 sights.

I picked up a Hellcat, but I am not as enamored by it. With the flat base plate on the 11 round magazine, i find it more difficult to shoot as accurately as either my PM9 or P365. With the 13 round mag, it handles much better for me, but then it's a larger footprint. I also felt the need to smooth out some sharp edges on it's frame and trigger.
I'm not saying it's a bad gun, as it runs fine and I can shoot it accurately, I just find it takes more work for me to do so. I'm talking pin point accuracy here, it's fine for torso size targets at 10 yds. with little effort. A better trigger would probably bring it online with the other guns I mentioned.

Regards,
Greg

I'd like to update this a bit. I went ahead and sprung for a Powder River Precision Hellcat trigger kit. The kit is a touch over $100, but it was 15% off on Black Friday. I'm glad I spent the money
I just finished the install and while I don't have a trigger pull gauge it's easy to tell the Hellcat's trigger is smoother and lighter. I'll put some rounds through it tomorrow, but just now, doing side by side dry firing, I'd say that my P365 no longer has a trigger advantage over my Hellcat. It might even be half a step behind.

Regards,
Greg

[340pd]

I'd like to update this a bit. I went ahead and sprung for a Powder River Precision Hellcat trigger kit. The kit is a touch over $100, but it was 15% off on Black Friday. I'm glad I spent the money
I just finished the install and while I don't have a trigger pull gauge it's easy to tell the Hellcat's trigger is smoother and lighter. I'll put some rounds through it tomorrow, but just now, doing side by side dry firing, I'd say that my P365 no longer has a trigger advantage over my Hellcat. It might even be half a step behind.

Regards,
Greg

Nice addition Greg. Your picture with those three guns is exactly why I keep my PM9. It is quite a bit smaller and much more concealable than the other two.
Tell me about the two different trigger positions in your before and after Hellcat picture. Did the PR kit position your trigger that much more rearward?
I put a PR kit in my full size XDm and it made a huge difference as did the Apex kit I put in a Shield I once owned. It always amazes me that the manufacturers can't figure this stuff out while they are designing their new offerings. It is not a weight or safety issue, just over smoothness with a clean trigger break.
As for the U rear sight on the Hellcat, I has a version of that from rear Meprolight with a bright yellow dot front on that same Shield I owned. I found it very easy to line up.
Loved that Shield but sold it to a co-worker as soon as I fired and bought my first P365.

[gb6491]

Nice addition Greg. Your picture with those three guns is exactly why I keep my PM9. It is quite a bit smaller and much more concealable than the other two.
Tell me about the two different trigger positions in your before and after Hellcat picture. Did the PR kit position your trigger that much more rearward?
I put a PR kit in my full size XDm and it made a huge difference as did the Apex kit I put in a Shield I once owned. It always amazes me that the manufacturers can't figure this stuff out while they are designing their new offerings. It is not a weight or safety issue, just over smoothness with a clean trigger break.
As for the U rear sight on the Hellcat, I has a version of that from rear Meprolight with a bright yellow dot front on that same Shield I owned. I found it very easy to line up.
Loved that Shield but sold it to a co-worker as soon as I fired and bought my first P365.

Hey, thanks for the comments! Sorry for the confusing photos, the trigger position in the photo with the parts is a result of the striker having been released and not reset.
Regards,
Greg

[340pd]

Thanks. Give us your opinions after shooting both Sig and Hellcat. My P365 is set up exactly like yours and I train a lot both strong and weak hand while the target is coming at me from 75' out and the flat trigger really helps me with trigger control. The Hellcat looks to have the same shape. I have no dog in this fight as I will not replace or add to my small hi-capacity carry guns, but I value your opinion and may make use of it when asked by my students and range customers.

[boscobarbell]

Loved that Shield but sold it to a co-worker as soon as I fired and bought my first P365.

Funny, I did exactly the same...and also sold my Glock 43 and Glock 26. The Sig made them irrelevant to me.

I'll probably still buy another PM9 to replace the one I've always regretted selling...the Kahr is just small enough to warrant having it as a carry option, particularly for AIWB applications.

[gb6491]

Funny, I did exactly the same...and also sold my Glock 43 and Glock 26. The Sig made them irrelevant to me.

I'll probably still buy another PM9 to replace the one I've always regretted selling...the Kahr is just small enough to warrant having it as a carry option, particularly for AIWB applications.

I agree. I favor AIWB and, as of late, have been carrying my PM9 more often than my P365 or Hellcat.
Regards,
Greg

[Bawanna]

Thanks Greg really. One less thing to get between me and my Sig P210 Target. Looking at your excellent photo it's not nearly as appealing to me as I thought it would be.
Holding the 365 in the shop the other day it seemed better than the ones I've held before, perhaps it's growing on me. But I was mostly investigating the sight set up.
I did just hold my hand over the top of the sight in a pretty well it room and the sight basically disappeared. But it seemed to work splendidly with light. Worth a harder look anyhow for me.