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Thread: What ammo do you carry / shoot in your Kahrs and why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by berettabone View Post
    I use Critical Defense or Fed HST's in 3 different calibers. I believe that the Hornady ammo is slightly more accurate. I also believe in UFO'S. ..............At 30 ft. or less, if someone can tell the difference between the two, they're a better man than I, and their name is Chuck Connors. I've used them both pretty exclusively without issue and their test results show well. They both just seem to function well in my firearms although in revolvers, everything seems to function well.

    Seeing as U.F.O. stands for "Unidentified Flying Object" I would say everyone believes in those. The question then becomes, do you believe that aliens have or currently visit the earth?

    Wait! That may be too far off topic....

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    Kahr MK40 Elite
    Mostly Federal HST 180 gr 40 S&W.
    Because it's crazy accurate and equally reliable.
    I like Speer GDHP Short Barrel 180 gr too for the same reasons
    Don't own a Kahr 9mm.
    But if I did.
    Federal HST Micro 150 gr 9mm.

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    My picks are based on several things, but the Lucky Gunner tests figured high. I chose the 150-gr Micro HST for my wife, since I wanted a standard pressure for her Glock 43. I switched to it as well, because it looked better than the +P Speer 124-gr Gold Dots with penetration and expansion, without the + pressure.

    I also got the PNW Arms 115-gr Tac Ops Solid Copper HP. I would have gotten the Winchester 147-gr Ranger T's, but they weren't available for a LONG time. Those were the best for expansion and penetration, and standard pressure loads.

    Looking at the Lucky Gunner charts, I clicked twice on the top of the expansion column putting the greatest expansions to the top, then I looked at penetration consistency, and then standard pressure.

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    Nice pics there!

    I know a lot of people swear by HST, I bought a friend a box of it in .40 along with a mag carrier and spare mag as a graduation present when he graduated from law school.

    I may get some to try in 9mm Parabellum in the 150 grain version. It may penetrate well but I'm curious about recoil.

    Maybe as things relax I can get back to testing.

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    On the topic of carry ammo..everyone has their own opinion based on gel tests, meat tests, magazine articles, "advice from experts", etc.
    I find myself wondering if there is a publicly available database of ACTUAL shooting reports that we're missing in this conversation..?? Someplace where all the available information has been gathered to allow people to read verifiable after action reports and see how various brands of handgun ammunition actually performed in a wide variety of conditions, then make up your own mind based on FACTS and field experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guido4198 View Post
    On the topic of carry ammo..everyone has their own opinion based on gel tests, meat tests, magazine articles, "advice from experts", etc.
    I find myself wondering if there is a publicly available database of ACTUAL shooting reports that we're missing in this conversation..?? Someplace where all the available information has been gathered to allow people to read verifiable after action reports and see how various brands of handgun ammunition actually performed in a wide variety of conditions, then make up your own mind based on FACTS and field experience.
    Now that would be great!

    I do have an online essay written by a man claiming to be a coroner and he did something similar based on his own experience but there is no way to verify the results.

    I might can post that here if anyone wants it.

    Originally I found it on www.1911forum.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barth View Post
    Kahr MK40 Elite
    Mostly Federal HST 180 gr 40 S&W.
    Because it's crazy accurate and equally reliable.
    I like Speer GDHP Short Barrel 180 gr too for the same reasons
    Don't own a Kahr 9mm.
    But if I did.
    Federal HST Micro 150 gr 9mm.
    I'll have to agree...…………...I've shot more Fed 180 gr. HST .40 cal. than any other ammo I've used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guido4198 View Post
    On the topic of carry ammo..everyone has their own opinion based on gel tests, meat tests, magazine articles, "advice from experts", etc.
    I find myself wondering if there is a publicly available database of ACTUAL shooting reports that we're missing in this conversation..?? Someplace where all the available information has been gathered to allow people to read verifiable after action reports and see how various brands of handgun ammunition actually performed in a wide variety of conditions, then make up your own mind based on FACTS and field experience.
    If you do some searching, you can find certain actual shooting reports...………………………………….finding out the ammo manufacturer used could be impossible.

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    Paul Harrell has an interesting youtube treatise on why coroners reports are unreliable. This is based on his actual real world experience and observations. Enlightening read.
    Federal had a report out not long ago on pistol bullets for self defense. Several facts I found interesting.
    They can make a bullet perform anyway they want to. The trick is to balance expansion with penetration.
    No such thing as a temporary wound cavity unless the velocity is 2300 fps or above.
    Foot lbs of energy is irrelevant. What matters is size of hole and penetration.

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    KWH hit the nail on the head ( so to speak) .
    Think about the two ends of the spectrum. At one end is a thin pointed blade.. think: a 24 in ice pick.
    You can run that thing completely through an attacker... full penetration, but it’s not going to reliably STOP the attack instantly.
    OTOH... if you deliver a full swing blow to an attacker with a 16 pound sledge hammer, you’ll stop the attacker in his tracks... zero penetration.
    we can’t carry a launcher to deliver that hammer blow so we go for a compromise.

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