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    I often have a worry about only having 7+1 in my K9 as compared to the 15+1
    available in my Glock 26 with a model 19 magazine with spacer. To voluntarily give up another round is sheer madness. However, I've just ordered a Crimson Trace for the K9. This goes a long way towards making carrying the Kahr my preferred choice.

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    Default One in the pipe or not.


    A Conceal Carry Handgun Must Meet a Minimum of Four Conditions:
    1) It must be utterly reliable.
    2) It should be compact enough to be carried concealed for long periods of time.
    3) It should have a very simple operating drill.
    4) It should fire a cartridge of sufficient power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monty View Post
    Racking the slide is for Hollywood. I always have mine on ready.
    i carry a 1911 1 in the pipe cond3 always
    shoot untill they change shape or catch fire

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyletx1911 View Post
    i carry a 1911 1 in the pipe cond3 always
    Uh....Quoting Cooper wrt 1911s: Condition 3 is the chamber is empty and hammer is down with a charged magazine in the gun.

    Imho condition one is the only way for a competent gunny to carry a 1911

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltxi View Post
    Uh....Quoting Cooper wrt 1911s: Condition 3 is the chamber is empty and hammer is down with a charged magazine in the gun.

    Imho condition one is the only way for a competent gunny to carry a 1911
    oooooooops my bad wasnt thinking cond 1 always
    shoot untill they change shape or catch fire

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    Before I bought my Kahr, I had decided NOT to chamber a round, particularly because I was not used to lack of an external safety. I was talked out of purchasing a handgun with an external safety and now I see why. YES now that I have my PM40 with the DAO trigger, good holsters and I have carried for awhile, I always have a chambered round. I feel this gun is safe to carry, I am much more comfortable with it and I am prepared.
    My Sword - PM4044N/CTL/Talons
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    One in the chamber. If not you better train train train. I can imagine the only thing worse than hearing the click when you forget to rack would be the pain of getting shot or stabbed while you were trying to figure out that you forgot to wrack a round. Also what if you were in a tense situation where you weren't sure you would need the gun (in as store being robbed for example) if you have one in the pipe you could just pull the gun out and conceal it ready, if you don't have one in the chamber it's gonna be offaly conspicuos when you try with shaking hands to quietly put one in the pipe.

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    sorry about the spelling it's late

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    Amen!
    Here's a more recent discussion:

    http://kahrtalk.com/p-cw-series-pist....html#post5494

    Wynn
    USAF Retired '88, NRA Life Member. Wife USAF Retired '96
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    Frédéric Bastiat’s essay, The Law: http://mises.org/books/thelaw.pdf

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    “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.”
    and

    "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".

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    i carried condition 0 until we had our first kid. then something once happened that was not a near-accident, but still near enough to get me thinking. since then there is a strict empty-chamber policy in my house, and it will remain in effect until there are no toddlers around anymore. i practice accordingly, work out of my home and the few times i'm away i still carry with an empty chamber not to throw off my muscle memory. it puts me at a tactical disadvantage that could, under some circumstances, be the difference between life and death, but statistically speaking far from all self defense shootings are the kind of high-noon scenarios we like to think about, so a pistol with an empty chamber is not near as useless as some would want us to believe. i do look forward to going back to condition 0 though.

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