cant get slide to come off...

[BEARDOG]

Hi KC,
Ummmm. I don't think you want to drive that out with the slide lock inside the slide. It would at the least damage the slide lock half moon area, and could bend/gouge the slide.

First thought I can come up with... maybe it's caught on the cocking cam??? I don't have a P380 to look at, but looking at my CM9 I think you have the gotten the feed ramp pushed up against the slide stop pin and the cocking cam is behind the slide cover plate.

Try pulling the trigger and turning the gun upside down, and jiggling the slide, pushing forward trying to slide it off again????
Don't force anything yet. But maybe a gentle bump with your palm to the back of the slide while doing the above????

[K.C.]

BEARDOG,
I tried that, no good. As far as pounding it out, it isn't coming out with out doing damage which I'm not willing to do. I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to send it in (which makes me sick!). As I told you on the other forum you were 100% right as to the original problem to which I say thanks again.

I'm going to wait for the return email from Kahr support regarding the original issue then I'll see what they have to say about this pathetic error. I'll post the results good or bad after its all said and done so others who aren't used to slide pins don't make the same stupid mistake.

[gb6491]

Hi KC,
Ummmm. I don't think you want to drive that out with the slide lock inside the slide. It would at the least damage the slide lock half moon area, and could bend/gouge the slide.

First thought I can come up with... maybe it's caught on the cocking cam??? I don't have a P380 to look at, but looking at my CM9 I think you have the gotten the feed ramp pushed up against the slide stop pin and the cocking cam is behind the slide cover plate.

Try pulling the trigger and turning the gun upside down, and jiggling the slide, pushing forward trying to slide it off again????
Don't force anything yet. But maybe a gentle bump with your palm to the back of the slide while doing the above????

K.C.
I agree with BEARDOG's assessment: it seems you were able to force the slide rearward enough to cross over the cam and the cocking lobe popped back up behind the rear slide cover. Unfortunately, it also appears that the trigger is still disconnected by the slide.

I think you have two options at this point:
1. Try forcing the slide further rearward so the trigger connects and will operate the cam. When this happens you should be able to pull the trigger, hold it rearward, and pull the slide over the cam and off the frame.
2. If you can't move the slide far enough rearward to connect the trigger, make yourself an "L" shaped tool (paper clip should work) and, space permitting (it will work on my CW9, but I don't know about the P380), wiggle it in under the rear of the slide and behind the cocking lobe on the cam. Once in place, try to force the cam's cocking lobe down by pulling the tool rearward. You'll need to manipulate the slide at the same time; both to give the cam enough room to cycle down and to get it off once the cam is down. I'll not lie and say it will be an easy dance, but it can be done.


Regards,
Greg

Edit: I see, that as I was putting my reply together, CJB also suggested this as a fix, kudos. His idea to remove the side plate to manipulate the cam is a good one.

[knkali]

K.C.
I agree with BEARDOG's assessment: it seems you were able to force the slide rearward enough to cross over the cam and the cocking lobe popped back up behind the rear slide cover. Unfortunately, it also appears that the trigger is still disconnected by the slide.

I think you have two options at this point:
1. Try forcing the slide further rearward so the trigger connects and will operate the cam. When this happens you should be able to pull the trigger, hold it rearward, and pull the slide over the cam and off the frame.
2. If you can't move the slide far enough rearward to connect the trigger, make yourself an "L" shaped tool (paper clip should work) and, space permitting (it will work on my CW9, but I don't know about the P380), wiggle it in under the rear of the slide and behind the cocking lobe on the cam. Once in place, try to force the cam's cocking lobe down by pulling the tool rearward. You'll need to manipulate the slide at the same time; both to give the cam enough room to cycle down and to get it off once the cam is down. I'll not lie and say it will be an easy dance, but it can be done.


Regards,
Greg

One word about gregs post..........awesome I wish I could visualize what he would be fishing for with that tool. Heck, I just pull triggers.

[MikeyKahr]

One word about gregs post..........awesome I wish I could visualize what he would be fishing for with that tool. Heck, I just pull triggers.

Professor Greg to the rescue!! Nice pics and post - very helpful. I just pull triggers too.

[gb6491]

One word about gregs post..........awesome I wish I could visualize what he would be fishing for with that tool. Heck, I just pull triggers.

I'm all for pulling triggers myself
My concern is that the slide is not in the right position and will be pressing the trigger bar down, disconnecting the trigger from the cocking cam. If that's the case, then the cam will have to be manipulated by another means (in this case a paper clip). The tool is slid under the slide to hook the backside of the cam's cocking lobe. Once hooked, the idea is to pull it rearward, which will rotate it down and out of the way. Then the slide can be slid forward and off the frame. Sorry for not being clearer in my previous post.


BTW, CJB is correct, the same end result could be accomplished by removing the side plate and manipulating the cam from there.

MikeyKahr,
Thanks

Regards,
Greg

[K.C.]

K.C.
I agree with BEARDOG's assessment: it seems you were able to force the slide rearward enough to cross over the cam and the cocking lobe popped back up behind the rear slide cover. Unfortunately, it also appears that the trigger is still disconnected by the slide.

I think you have two options at this point:
1. Try forcing the slide further rearward so the trigger connects and will operate the cam. When this happens you should be able to pull the trigger, hold it rearward, and pull the slide over the cam and off the frame.
2. If you can't move the slide far enough rearward to connect the trigger, make yourself an "L" shaped tool (paper clip should work) and, space permitting (it will work on my CW9, but I don't know about the P380), wiggle it in under the rear of the slide and behind the cocking lobe on the cam. Once in place, try to force the cam's cocking lobe down by pulling the tool rearward. You'll need to manipulate the slide at the same time; both to give the cam enough room to cycle down and to get it off once the cam is down. I'll not lie and say it will be an easy dance, but it can be done.


Regards,
Greg

Edit: I see, that as I was putting my reply together, CJB also suggested this as a fix, kudos. His idea to remove the side plate to manipulate the cam is a good one.

I'll be looking into this as soon as I get home from work today, I'll post the results then. Thanks for renewed hope!

[K.C.]

[K.C.]

I cannot tell you how relieved I am. gb6491 you are the man! If they had a reputation button on this forum I'd bury you with rep!

This thread should be stickyed to help others out who make the same mistake. Thanks to all of you who contributed to helping me figure out a solution to my problem. I also happy to inform you that Kahr emailed me and they will be replacing my slide stop pin which was the original problem. Thanks again !

[yqtszhj]

I FEEL THAT JOY!!!!! happy endings and excitment just bring tears to the eyes.