Alternative look at Stopping Power

[Tinman507]

Wait until Bawanna and Jocko see this chart.
Who knew Jocko was right all along? 9mm trumps 45ACP?

[muggsy]

IMHO shot placement is a far more important consideration than caliber. One shot to the CNS with a .22 short will stop a fight instantly.

[JohnR]

Quantity has a quality all its own - an interesting perspective I recently read was, a rapid fire self-defense practice drill should NOT leave one ragged hole. Instead, a grouping maybe 3-6" will better assure hitting multiple organs instead of gouging the same organ four times after it's already been put out of commission.

[Ascham1]

Good info and food for thought.

[muggsy]

One thing quite evident from the statistics is that being shot is a very unpleasant experience. I don't care who you are.

[skiflydive]

I think comparing the 9 with the .380 is interesting. It looks like .380 isn't so bad after all.

[Alfonse]

Quantity has a quality all its own - an interesting perspective I recently read was, a rapid fire self-defense practice drill should NOT leave one ragged hole. Instead, a grouping maybe 3-6" will better assure hitting multiple organs instead of gouging the same organ four times after it's already been put out of commission.

In that case, I'm a perfect shot!

[GLOCKROCKER]

+1000 on slugs but don't underestimate the damage a shotty with bird shot would do. Hell tic tacs instead of bird shot at SD distances would leave a heck of a mark.
ANY guy with a beard and accent like this is a fukkn expert on combat shotgun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq3RVvL9ZjU

What accent?

[kwh]

I think comparing the 9 with the .380 is interesting. It looks like .380 isn't so bad after all.

I believe he says that bullets were not taken into account and that FMJ were probably overrepresented in the 9mm. So we might be comparing FMJ .380 to FMJ 9mm. If so, we would expect to see little difference. Comparing .380 JHP's and 9mm JHP+P's to each other, I think we would see more difference between the two.

[Pointblank]

There's a reason why European police used the .32 acp for so many decades. It's very accurate, almost no recoil and shot placement is easy.