Self Defense Ammo for CM9

[Michael W.]

Does all this REALLY make any difference at distances of 3 to 15 feet. You're not going to get into a gun fight in a self-defense situation at 50 feet, or even 30 feet. It's gonna be close up and personal. It will be in a room in your house, not out in the back yard. Or maybe in your driveway when you are getting out of your car, or some whacked out tramp pulling a knife on you at a 7-11.

Does it really matter whether a bullet expands or not? Absolutely it makes
a difference at 21, 15, or 3 feet. Regardless of the distance the idea is to
make a projectile with a relatively low bullet coefficient expand into a
diameter to cause as much trauma as possible while reaching sufficient depth.

Consider this, if you were attacked by a whacked out tramp with a knife
while you were at the ATM and all you had time to do was draw. rock your
arm up and fire from arms length, what do you think will happen if you hit
him with a FMJ? What about a Gold Dot or Golden Saber? Which would
you rather have? And why?

If you're answer is that you'd rather have a modern hollowpoint over
an FMJ, then let me ask the next question....would you rather have
a hollow point that has been proven to fail 30-40% of the time?
(Meaning not expand ie. Federal Hydra-Shok 147gr, WWB 147 JHP)
when for the same amount of money you could be carrying a load that had
been proven to expand 80-90% of the time? (Federal HST, Speer Gold Dot,
Remington Golden Saber, etc)

The difference in cost between WWB 147gr JHP (~$20/50) and Speer Gold
Dot (~27/50) is less than $10. For $10 why wouldn't you give yourself
every advantage in the highly unlikely event that you have to use your
gun to defend yourself at ANY distance?

Michael-

[Markis82]

Does it really matter whether a bullet expands or not? Absolutely it makes
a difference at 21, 15, or 3 feet. Regardless of the distance the idea is to
make a projectile with a relatively low bullet coefficient expand into a
diameter to cause as much trauma as possible while reaching sufficient depth.

Consider this, if you were attacked by a whacked out tramp with a knife
while you were at the ATM and all you had time to do was draw. rock your
arm up and fire from arms length, what do you think will happen if you hit
him with a FMJ? What about a Gold Dot or Golden Saber? Which would
you rather have? And why?

If you're answer is that you'd rather have a modern hollowpoint over
an FMJ, then let me ask the next question....would you rather have
a hollow point that has been proven to fail 30-40% of the time?
(Meaning not expand ie. Federal Hydra-Shok 147gr, WWB 147 JHP)
when for the same amount of money you could be carrying a load that had
been proven to expand 80-90% of the time? (Federal HST, Speer Gold Dot,
Remington Golden Saber, etc)

The difference in cost between WWB 147gr JHP (~$20/50) and Speer Gold
Dot (~27/50) is less than $10. For $10 why wouldn't you give yourself
every advantage in the highly unlikely event that you have to use your
gun to defend yourself at ANY distance?

Michael-

+1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Thunder71]

Just because it expands does not mean it feeds well, and Speer Gold Dot is over double the cost of WWB here. Cost aside, it feeds like crap in my PM9 compared to WWB. So long as I don't have to slingshot a round they all work, but if you want to talk reliable consider everything.

It's not a price thing for me, I get what works best. Federal HST 147 in my XDM and P-01, WWB 147 JHP in my PM9.

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[Markis82]

Just because it expands does not mean it feeds well, and Speer Gold Dot is over double the cost of WWB here. Cost aside, it feeds like crap in my PM9 compared to WWB. So long as I don't have to slingshot a round they all work, but if you want to talk reliable consider everything.

It's not a price thing for me, I get what works best. Federal HST 147 in my XDM and P-01, WWB 147 JHP in my PM9.

You can do whatever you want. However, I don't think you'll find many people who are experienced shooters and who carry, will agree with you. You don't have to use Gold Dot. There are many other quality rounds out there. I'm sure you can find one that doesn't "feel like crap" (whatever that means). But, please don't bet your life on WWB.

[Thunder71]

I've tried quite a few in it, and WWB has done quite fine.

Hornady Critical Defense
Federal HST
Federal Home Defense
Federal Hyda Shok
Speer Gold Dot

I have a box of Winchester PDX to try once I get my slide back from its Cerakote job.

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[Markis82]

I've tried quite a few in it, and WWB has done quite fine.

Hornady Critical Defense
Federal HST
Federal Home Defense
Federal Hyda Shok
Speer Gold Dot

I have a box of Winchester PDX to try once I get my slide back from its Cerakote job.

I don't mean to beat a dead horse. But, I think your missing the point. There is more to a load than just it going bang. The value of a self defense round is measured it its terminal performance. You have a much, much, much, much, higher chance of stopping a bad guy with a top quality round than WWB. Like in other activities, you want to put the odds in your favor. So, why would anyone start 30-40% behind by using a sub-standard load?

Try:
Remington Golden Saber
Cor-Bon
Winchester Ranger
Double Tap
and the list goes on...

[Thunder71]

If the round nosedives you're at 0 percent and a couple seconds to clear a misfeed is an eternity with a gun pointed at you I would imagine.

I get the point and the logistics and I've also seen tests where WWB 147gr JHP does just fine, it cycles well and goes bang every time. If it fed my HST's as well as it feeds the WWB I'd use HST's across the board and simplify my life to boot.

I'll see how the PDX's do, then try the ones above that I can find locally. It's important to me to have access to the ammo I decide on, I realize I can order it online but I prefer to do business locally when possible.

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[Markis82]

If the round nosedives you're at 0 percent and a couple seconds to clear a misfeed is an eternity with a gun pointed at you I would imagine.

I get the point and the logistics and I've also seen tests where WWB 147gr JHP does just fine, it cycles well and goes bang every time. If it fed my HST's as well as it feeds the WWB I'd use HST's across the board and simplify my life to boot.

I'll see how the PDX's do, then try the ones above that I can find locally. It's important to me to have access to the ammo I decide on, I realize I can order it online but I prefer to do business locally when possible.

Cool, enough said. Except that many of other people who use your gun model, have success with all of those high quality rounds mentioned here. You have nose dives with them. If the only hollow point round your gun will run is WWB, I'd look at the gun and or the mag, not at the ammo.

[Thunder71]

I clearly stated it shoots them all just fine, I've had 0 failure to feeds or failures of any kind with the gun, the only problem I have is when I slingshot a round, sometimes they will go, most often they will not - the WWB has never once nose dived.

May be a miniscule issue, but it's an advantage over the others. I guess everyone has to weigh their priorities, nobody can predict the future and know whether a nose dive will occur or a round won't be the right one to stop a threat, or more likely, you'll never need to fire in self defense at all.

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[mightymouse]

So if the only thing that works in your gun is Wally World cheap-o, then give it up and settle for it? Picky guns are for the back of the safe.
Absolutely not! Do what it takes to have a premium ammo feed flawlessly through your gun. Send it back to Kahr if necessary or get gun that eats what you feed it. You're betting your life on it after all.