First Kahr - CM9 - Functioned Perfectly

[SGV]

Congrats! I wish I had been so lucky...

[Tinman507]

[SGV]

Originally Posted by Tinman507

You are right. I should be content with a pistol that averaged 2 rounds between malfunctions and just keep my mouth shut.

Seriously though, I still have hope that mine will come back from the factory in trustworthy condition. I did like the size of the pistol, I liked the aesthetics and trigger as well. I just didn't like the fact that I couldn't trust it to function. Can you really blame a guy for feeling a bit bitter about a product that didn't work as advertised?

[jocko]

yup, no one is ever happy about a prduct that doesn't work as designed. but as u know it is just not delegated to guns only either Kahr will fix it, sh-thappens. once it gets back toyou andyoiu bond with it, u will forget about thiis sad part. In the mean time just keep readin on this forum these guys are suer. some have walke din the same fottsteps that u asre walkijng in to..

[Tinman507]

That graphic wasn't meant to bust your chops. I am sorry your gun didn't work out of the box. The good news is, history is on your side bigtime:

#1 You bought a Kahr CM9 and it's history is well documented here. The majority work well.
#2 you bought a Kahr. Their customer service is excellent. Also well documented here. They'll make it right.

I too would be (and have been) very frustrated if my brand new $400 gun didn't work. It's a matter of perspective, I suppose. I honestly believe these little guns require a change in mindset. There's a lot packed into them and that makes them (all of them) a little more finicky, more highstrung and more prone to break in issues.

I am sure your Kahr will come back and perform the way you hoped and expected.

FWIW, the graphic wasn't directed at you, per se. For the folks who've been here a while it gets a little frustrating to see a new owner who has or had issues reply to every thread on a particular model with their whine about how it failed. In several cases, it's been before their gun even came back from the mothership.

Again, I am sorry you had problems. Hang in there. It'll be made right. Learn as much as you can about your gun. Lotta experts on this forum (I am not one) and lotta people to commiserate with you.

Give Kahr a chance to get it right and I am certain you'll be pleased.

[Tinman507]

Originally Posted by skiflydive

I think, and this is only my opinion, that people who have trouble with their new Kahrs wish that Kahr would admit that some of their guns have issues out of the box and would do more shooting testing before shipping. Kahr is part of a company that prides itself in high quality, close tolerance manufacturing and machining. By rights they should be able to say "yes, this meets our tolerance specs...ship it." It needs to be known that those tolerance specs are very tight and suffer from the factors of variable ammunition and variable operators. I believe that Kahr builds guns to a closer manufacturing tolerance than maybe any other manufacturer. Maybe Kahr should spend more time shooting their guns for testing than measuring them for testing. Some other manufacturers build their stuff to lesser tolerance which easily accommodates the ammo and operator variability. In general I detest car analogies but; I feel like I bought a high performance sports car and I did so because I like close tolerance stuff. If I wanted less I would have bought a Glo, erm, Chevy. I acknowledge that it's fair to expect a pistol that goes bang every time out of the box, but I'm willing to work with it to make it the high performance machine it is. Some aren't.

I don't disagree with you. I think Kahr SHOULD test a lot more before shipping. Here's the dilemma: They're in business to sell guns. They have competition in the marketplace. It costs money...A LOT of money to do extensive "Startup" testing. So, to remain competitive I believe they're playing the percentages game. If they ship 200 guns per month (hypothetical numbers) and they get 4 back for repairs it costs them $xx.00. If they ship 200 guns per month and each one is extensively tested before shipping that will add (pick a number) to the cost of the gun. That drives their cost up, makes them less competitive. It's a bit more of a gamble to not test but I am betting they come out ahead.
If the SHTF and they have a whole group of vendored parts come in bad (pick trigger bars) and they see a trend with a bunch of CM9's coming back in with bad trigger bars they can react to that with corrective action.
The danger in that philosophy is you can create a lot of badwill with your customer base very quickly. It's a horrendous balancing act. Test and price yourself out or ship a whole crapload of bad guns and get a bad rep. They're searching for a profitable midpoint in there someplace.

[SGV]

Well speak of the Devil! Fed Ex delivered my pistol today.

Tinman and Jocko- Of course, you guys are right. I know that I am in the minority. I did my research prior to buying this pistol and had heard nothing but great things. As is the case on most brand-specific forums, there are what appears to be an abnormal amount of problems because folks that have problems are drawn there for answers. For every guy posting negative things here about Kahr there are hundreds happily at the range enjoying their pistols. I will give it another chance, because I really like everything about the pistol other than the reliability issue.

[jocko]

attitude goes a long way towards liking anything. Most gun specific forums are going to get negatives, tha tis what these forums are for t. Many here have been helped by members without sending their guns back, again I think that is what forums are for. I was on the kel tec forum for years and trust me those guys had fixes for damn near anythihng kt made, many did work to, if u wanted to take the time to do them. Postivie reports normaly are people who have no issues, so why post, , so why even get on a gun forum, My glock is performing as it should, I have no reason to get on a glock forum, for personally I don't want to hear allt he b.s. one way or the other, so Iam a non poster on any other gun forum except this one. Are kahrs issue free???Most are, but those that are not normally make it to this forum, so some will draw conclusions from merely reading this fourm, which I would bet is less than 5% of total kahr owners in the country. Most gun owners could give a rats ass about anya gun forum.

Karh probably does no more or no less testing than any other gun maker. We have seen kahrs act up after 100 rouonds andnot the first 10 rounds, so where do u stop at testing, vbesides the over all cost involved to. My son is a quality control enginner with cummins diesel, noted for one of the fienst diesel motors in the world. They make and sell over 5000 engines a day in all sizes. They test daily, they visit vendors weekly all over the world. My son just got back for a 7 day trip toengland to see one of their vendors. CUMMINS STILL HAS CLOSE TO A HALF MILLION DOLLARS A DAY IN WARRANTY REPAIR. SH-T HAPPENS..

[michpatriot]

Kahrs are the best carry option...I think youll be happy.