PM9 or PM40?

[Bawanna]

******* jack toy?

Just have to see what you tried to say and see if I'm right. Don't see anything wrong with it.

Anyhow, it's nice to have a tiny little gun with big gun features and controls without sacrificing decent sights, trigger etc. I think the PM9 is a pretty dandy little carry gun when something bigger just won't work.
I've heard the trigger on the LCP is pretty horrible? Any truth to that?

[Bawanna]

Dang, don't like *******. Hmmm gotta wonder why, not talking about the inhabitants of the white house or anything, just like a snack food, cheese on a *******. I feel like such a bad boy.

[Bawanna]

I better turn myself in, I know their coming for me.

[deadhead1971]

There is a big difference, and this is why I really don't think the PM is a DAO gun. The PM9 just has a long trigger pull. The LCP on the other hand has a hammer like a typical DA/SA revolver. The PM9 has a striker system. To me the hammer makes the LCP true DAO while the lack of a hammer makes the PM9 something else.

The trigger on the LCP is not smooth like the PM9.

[jocko]

very debateable. Some would say that if the gun does not have double strike capability then it is not a double action. Really makes no difference to me. Hammor or striker, both the lcp and all kahrs and glocks and Smiths M & P are trigger pulled to produce a bang thing, how it gets there after that is in the "eyes of the beholder". But you only get one pull only on either of these guns.

One could argue that with a revolver, when it doesn't go bang, you just pull the trigger again and it will cycle to another cylinder and get your bang and that would be true, but also it is not restriking that same dud round either. I think the true meaning of DA or DAO or what ever has gotten lost since these modern semi's have come on board.

Not sure there is a real winner definition either.

Compared to a 1911, the kahr is indeed a double action..

[Trunkmonkey]

Well....I'm no expert with these pistols. I did just shoot both pistols for the first time - LCP and PM9. I do have a lot of "time" spent behind shooting pistols though, I've been a firearms instrutor for 7 years, SWAT 8 years and an LEO for 15 - mostly Glocks, a few others like Berettas, HKs, and Sigs...all of which were full size 9mm, .40, and 45ACP service pistols. My only experience with anything compact were G27s/26s and small 5 shot .38 revolvers.

On that note....I didn't think the LCP was all that bad in the trigger department for being a DAO trigger with a hammer. I think practice makes perfect for any firearm...you get used to anything if you shoot it enough. Train, Train, and train more. Now I'm not saying the LCP deserves any awards for it's trigger...but for it's intended purpose...a SHTF extremely concealable little pistol for about $350 it does it's job. I was able to shoot more than effectively at 7 yards with it...only slightly less than my proficiency with the PM9...but more than acceptable...and I never shot one before.

The PM9 is definitely in a different "class" as a pistol. I found it better on the follow up shots - smoother "recoil follow through as we say" - I could shoot it faster per say and stay on target more effectively. Kahr has a "better" trigger..yes, and better sights...But, I usually point shoot for "combat"/"defensive" (SHTF immediate threat) inside of 7 yards anyways.

I wouldn't bash the LCP now that I have shot it.....It just serves more of a pocket pistol/hideout role and that's it....but it works. The LCP also shot flawlessly..no malfunctions and the LCP was brand new out of the box. As so...the PM9 only had about 100 rounds in it and it was flawless also with 147 grain Rem FMJ ammo.

FYI FWIW I felt more "confident" with the PM9 and would not be afraid to take any shot with it that I would take with my G21SF. The LCP I wouldn't...at least yet...be comfortable outside 12 yards or so.

[a.squibload]

One more vote for PM40. Recoil IS fun, but you're not supposed to be having fun, just keep sights aligned and concentrate...

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[Swat_dude]

Well....I'm no expert with these pistols. I did just shoot both pistols for the first time - LCP and PM9. I do have a lot of "time" spent behind shooting pistols though, I've been a firearms instrutor for 7 years, SWAT 8 years and an LEO for 15 - mostly Glocks, a few others like Berettas, HKs, and Sigs...all of which were full size 9mm, .40, and 45ACP service pistols. My only experience with anything compact were G27s/26s and small 5 shot .38 revolvers.

On that note....I didn't think the LCP was all that bad in the trigger department for being a DAO trigger with a hammer. I think practice makes perfect for any firearm...you get used to anything if you shoot it enough. Train, Train, and train more. Now I'm not saying the LCP deserves any awards for it's trigger...but for it's intended purpose...a SHTF extremely concealable little pistol for about $350 it does it's job. I was able to shoot more than effectively at 7 yards with it...only slightly less than my proficiency with the PM9...but more than acceptable...and I never shot one before.

The PM9 is definitely in a different "class" as a pistol. I found it better on the follow up shots - smoother "recoil follow through as we say" - I could shoot it faster per say and stay on target more effectively. Kahr has a "better" trigger..yes, and better sights...But, I usually point shoot for "combat"/"defensive" (SHTF immediate threat) inside of 7 yards anyways.

I wouldn't bash the LCP now that I have shot it.....It just serves more of a pocket pistol/hideout role and that's it....but it works. The LCP also shot flawlessly..no malfunctions and the LCP was brand new out of the box. As so...the PM9 only had about 100 rounds in it and it was flawless also with 147 grain Rem FMJ ammo.

FYI FWIW I felt more "confident" with the PM9 and would not be afraid to take any shot with it that I would take with my G21SF. The LCP I wouldn't...at least yet...be comfortable outside 12 yards or so.

I would also question the significant difference in ballastics between the 380 and 9mm. I ditched my LCP for a PM9 because I always thought the 380 might just piss someone off. Yeah, I know, I know... shot placement. My good friends son just shot a mountain lion in the head with a 44 mag revolver. The animal immediately went down where it was hit. However, the round had actually deflected off the animals skull and gone down through its neck and out the back between its shoulder blades. It was a mortal wound EVENTUALLY but had only knocked the lion unconscience momentarily. You can imagine his surprise as he approached the "dead" animal and the lion bolted straight up and ran full tilt right past him before collapsing 30 yards away. Needless to say, I think there is no magic bullet and no magic shot location- only good shot placement, but 9mm is the minimum caliber I would consider for self defense.



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