CCW + alcohol

[redbeardmcg]

@WMD: I'm happy to report that we are both correct in some degree... MA is only recently a castle / stand your ground state. I don't know how long ago this changed, but it is fairly recent. See this link for the actual MGL (Mass General Law) statement:

Part IV - Title II - Chapter 278

Section 8A. In the prosecution of a person who is an occupant of a dwelling charged with killing or injuring one who was unlawfully in said dwelling, it shall be a defense that the occupant was in his dwelling at the time of the offense and that he acted in the reasonable belief that the person unlawfully in said dwelling was about to inflict great bodily injury or death upon said occupant or upon another person lawfully in said dwelling, and that said occupant used reasonable means to defend himself or such other person lawfully in said dwelling. There shall be no duty on said occupant to retreat from such person unlawfully in said dwelling.

[redbeardmcg]

Here's the promised link

[Barth]

Here in Florida you're not supposed to belly up to the bar while carrying.
But you can have a beer or glass of wine with your meal at a table
(as long as that area doesn't make 50% of it's revenue from alcohol - or something like that).
I've always struggled with drinking and carrying at all - for obvious reasons.

Now that I'm 55 it seems that alcohol sucks my energy.
And ability to recover from my daily pumping iron and cardio regiment.
Also I got tired of fighting my weight.
I like having six pack abs, rather than a 6 pack belly.

So I stopped drinking entirely about 1.5 years ago.
I'm glad I did.

Already had my fun, if you can call it that.

[Longitude Zero]

In OK if you are CCW and have any amount of measureable alcohol in your blood you are in deep poopoo if you are involved in a shooting.

If you have ANY drugs in your system at all, illegal or prescription, your justifiable shooting just became criminal with a life sentence.

[Scoundrel]

Originally Posted by Longitude Zero

If you have ANY drugs in your system at all, illegal or prescription, your justifiable shooting just became criminal with a life sentence.

That seems a bit harsh. Even blood pressure medicine, or heartburn stuff? I'd have to see the law on that one before I believed it.

[Longitude Zero]

Oh my bad this time, with normal high blood pressure meds, cardiac meds, diabetic meds, etc you would be okay. Any non-narcotic meds you will be okay

If you have any Schedule 2, 3, 4 meds or ANY/ALL narcotics, pain killers, mooder alterants, psychiatric meds aka Haldol/Melaril/Elavil etc you are toast. ALL meds for ANY psychiatrict diagnosis and you are toast.

Sorry for the confusion.

In OK as a CCW applicant you are checked thru the State of OK Pharmacy Narcotics Database. If your name shows up as a consumer of narcotics for ANY and ALL reasons or any psychotropic meds your application is denied and you may not reapply for either 3 or 5 years.

[Scoundrel]

Ah, that makes more sense. Drugs, even prescription ones, that are known to mess up your judgement.

Not that laws have any requirement to make sense.
http://www.brandeslaw.com/Lighter/lawsob.htm

[Longitude Zero]

Originally Posted by Scoundrel

Ah, that makes more sense. Drugs, even prescription ones, that are known to mess up your judgement.

Yes sir, those.

[apheod]

yeah OK has some pretty ridiculous laws and mandatory sentences. i'd never live there, personally. KS gun laws aren't too bad, and seem to get slightly better every year. you can carry in a bar, and even drink as long as you're under .08, although if you're under .08 it's "at the officer's discretion." basically, if you're acting drunk and blowing .02, you're CUI.

personally, i'm always armed. after i get home from work i have a beer, every day. couple hours later i usually have another with dinner, sometimes i have a third later in the evening. on the weekends, it's still only 2-3 tops a day. i haven't been to a bar in years, and only eat out a few times a year. when i do, i have one or two beers or a long island iced tea with the meal, but still act the same as i do sober. i can't recall the last time i would have considered myself drunk, it's been at least 5 years. not really a pleasurable feeling for me, dizzy, stumbling, tired, acting like an idiot, maybe puking... don't see why people enjoy that.

i do abstain completely if i'm going to be doing any shooting that day, but have no doubt i could still be completely competent with a weapon after a beer.

[pitandkahr]

Originally Posted by CJB

There are many responsibilities in life, and they don't have to be either/or scenarios. I always carry, rarely drink, even rarer to an excess. But I always carry. Always.

I have car keys in my pocket, I choose not to drive when I consume adult beverages. You really need to go in to situations knowing what you'll do before hand, rather than make them up as you go. The pistol is for last ditch, I know that... it stays in my pocket, alcohol or no-alcohol.

x2 GREAT WAY to put it!! I just wish all who CCW viewed this. Since being in the midwest I've seen more people show off their gun in not appropriate situations under the influence of alcohol (or around). Most were younger gentlemen in the midst of females or in a group of guys. They didn't brandish their gun, but they lifted their shirts to show off what they had.