S&W Shield At 25 Yards

[Russ]

Originally Posted by gb6491

Russ,
Were those repairs strictly related to the night sight installation (I seem to remember that) or was there something else involved?
Regards,
Greg

Greg
The first trip was to address FTF. They polished feed ramp and chamber. I made the mistake of having them install night sights. First range trip out front sight loosened up and broke off at 80 rounds. Second trip I sent the slide only and 50 rounds front sight broke off. Third trip I had a long talk with head gunsmith and manager and they offered me a new gun or the cash. I even had an area rep for Utah contact me and offer me a PM9 all black for what I paid for my CM9. I will say Kahr customer service is extremely good. They listened to my concerns paid shipping both ways and in the end made me whole. I tip my hat to Kahr. Beretta was ok also but they are so big they send you to s contracted gunsmith and for me was an outfit in California. I knew I was in trouble when the receptionist kept calling my gun a Neo and then she admitted she was not familiar with a Nano. Long story short the gun was shipped to California they touched it shipped it to Beretta they polished the feed ramp and chamber and instead of shipping It to me they shipped back to California gunsmith and they shipped it to me in Utah. I guess they own stock in DOS. Long story short gun kept doing the FTE so I got Cabelas involved in January 2012 and I just about traded for a Ruger LCR but after reading the ballistic on a 357 in a 2 inch barrel decided no. Two range trips later in May when the FTE issue persisted I gave up and Cabelas took my problem child on trade for my choice of gun and the Shield was adopted.

I am done looking for a reluable CCW. If the Shield doesn't deliver I will carry a bat.

Russ

[jocko]

Originally Posted by gb6491

I suspect Itsthelaw's post was made tongue-in-cheek as kind of a Kahrtalk Pied Piper.
Regards,
Greg

know that mine was not then either. itsthe law and I have communicated and I did misinterpret his statement but he needs to clarify alot better, or maybe I need to know what the fokk tongue and cheek stuff is. It did not sound funny to me. I "thought" I could detect fun sh!t from serious sh!it. guess not.

I'm cool with him "now".

[Tinman507]

Jocko,

FYI: Tongue in Cheek has zero to do with French kissing... Just Sayin

[Barth]

Originally Posted by Russ

Greg
The first trip was to address FTF. They polished feed ramp and chamber. I made the mistake of having them install night sights. First range trip out front sight loosened up and broke off at 80 rounds. Second trip I sent the slide only and 50 rounds front sight broke off. Third trip I had a long talk with head gunsmith and manager and they offered me a new gun or the cash. I even had an area rep for Utah contact me and offer me a PM9 all black for what I paid for my CM9. I will say Kahr customer service is extremely good. They listened to my concerns paid shipping both ways and in the end made me whole. I tip my hat to Kahr. Beretta was ok also but they are so big they send you to s contracted gunsmith and for me was an outfit in California. I knew I was in trouble when the receptionist kept calling my gun a Neo and then she admitted she was not familiar with a Nano. Long story short the gun was shipped to California they touched it shipped it to Beretta they polished the feed ramp and chamber and instead of shipping It to me they shipped back to California gunsmith and they shipped it to me in Utah. I guess they own stock in DOS. Long story short gun kept doing the FTE so I got Cabelas involved in January 2012 and I just about traded for a Ruger LCR but after reading the ballistic on a 357 in a 2 inch barrel decided no. Two range trips later in May when the FTE issue persisted I gave up and Cabelas took my problem child on trade for my choice of gun and the Shield was adopted.

I am done looking for a reluable CCW. If the Shield doesn't deliver I will carry a bat.

Russ

There are good guns out there, and when you get one it's worth the effort.
We must "Endeavor to persevere." - LOL!

I think of guns like girls.
There's some real disposable trailer park trash out there.
But then there are jewels too.

[jocko]

well there u go, u see how confusing this can be. would kiss my ass have another conotation???Just sayin. I guess I am outta touch b ut elated as all fokk as **** Lugar got has ass beat here in Indiana. NRA worked hard in our state agasint the anti gun obama ass kissing senator. Hell the fokker is 80, now has not lived here if 35 years and still want sto bleed off of us.
What does "stick a knife in him, he is done? mean, I don't want to go to jail but I need some clarification before I start carrying a knife now. Just sayin.

[jocko]

Originally Posted by Russ

Greg
The first trip was to address FTF. They polished feed ramp and chamber. I made the mistake of having them install night sights. First range trip out front sight loosened up and broke off at 80 rounds. Second trip I sent the slide only and 50 rounds front sight broke off. Third trip I had a long talk with head gunsmith and manager and they offered me a new gun or the cash. I even had an area rep for Utah contact me and offer me a PM9 all black for what I paid for my CM9. I will say Kahr customer service is extremely good. They listened to my concerns paid shipping both ways and in the end made me whole. I tip my hat to Kahr. Beretta was ok also but they are so big they send you to s contracted gunsmith and for me was an outfit in California. I knew I was in trouble when the receptionist kept calling my gun a Neo and then she admitted she was not familiar with a Nano. Long story short the gun was shipped to California they touched it shipped it to Beretta they polished the feed ramp and chamber and instead of shipping It to me they shipped back to California gunsmith and they shipped it to me in Utah. I guess they own stock in DOS. Long story short gun kept doing the FTE so I got Cabelas involved in January 2012 and I just about traded for a Ruger LCR but after reading the ballistic on a 357 in a 2 inch barrel decided no. Two range trips later in May when the FTE issue persisted I gave up and Cabelas took my problem child on trade for my choice of gun and the Shield was adopted.

I am done looking for a reluable CCW. If the Shield doesn't deliver I will carry a bat.

Russ

the aluminum bats give far less "issues" than the wood bats. u can even port the aluminum bat to quiet down the "swiish" as u clubbing away. I hear Easton is the best to; Just sayin. Kel tek used to make bat but they broke before they left the factory

The only thing I have read and now seen in the shield is the out of battery thing. no reports of anything else, but this would be a concern for me and I see no reason for this happening either, so more than likely it could be an isolated event in some shileds that got out and shouldnot have or it will soon be addressed by Smith... Teethhg pains are just that, every "new" child has um

[Russ]

Originally Posted by jocko

the aluminum bats give far less "issues" than the wood bats. u can even port the aluminum bat to quiet down the "swiish" as u clubbing away. I hear Easton is the best to; Just sayin. Kel tek used to make bat but they broke before they left the factory

The only thing I have read and now seen in the shield is the out of battery thing. no reports of anything else, but this would be a concern for me and I see no reason for this happening either, so more than likely it could be an isolated event in some shileds that got out and shouldnot have or it will soon be addressed by Smith... Teethhg pains are just that, every "new" child has um

Jocko

I can take my Shield out of battery with a shell chambered and mag inserted loaded. When I remove the magazine and leave chambered it seems ok. The magazine takes effort to seat when chambered. My guess there is vertical pressure.

It has not been an issue with me. I pocket carry in a De Santi and I holster before I place in pocket. If a person was IWB and the holster was very tight I would place my thumb on the back of slide when bolstering to prevent the slide from moving out of battery. I personally think the issue has been blown out of proportion. I really have not had any problems with my gun going out of battery.

Russ

P.S. While on the Shield subject I want to be completly honest. The gun is great and very reliable but there is a price for reliability. Loaded with 8 rounds of 124 grain Gold Dot the gun tips the postal scale at 24.1 oz. That is 1 oz heavier than my Beretta Nano with 7 rounds and about 5 oz heavier than my CM9 loaded.

The Shield is pushing Glock 26 weight and the only reason I can pocket is the thickness is .95 where the Glock is 1.18 which makes a big difference in your front pocket.

The 24 oz was not as much of a shock to my system as when I went from the CM9 pocket to the Beretta Nano. The extra 3.5 oz was felt. If a person is going to jog or bike the gun needs to either go in a fanny pack or use a belly holster. I have biked with 24 oz in my pocket and it does not work.

[340pd]

Shield, Nano, and CM/PM9's are all great guns from good manufactures. ANY one of these guns will have a failure from time to time due to a variety of reasons. I know and accept that. Before I go to the range I load a few magazines and randomly insert a dummy round in at least one of them just to remind myself how to clear an issue. I am very grateful to this forum in that it has covered the methods needed to make and keep my PM9 very comfortable to carry and trust on a daily basis.

[Barth]

Originally Posted by Russ

Jocko

I can take my Shield out of battery with a shell chambered and mag inserted loaded. When I remove the magazine and leave chambered it seems ok. The magazine takes effort to seat when chambered. My guess there is vertical pressure.

It has not been an issue with me. I pocket carry in a De Santi and I holster before I place in pocket. If a person was IWB and the holster was very tight I would place my thumb on the back of slide when bolstering to prevent the slide from moving out of battery. I personally think the issue has been blown out of proportion. I really have not had any problems with my gun going out of battery.

Russ

P.S. While on the Shield subject I want to be completly honest. The gun is great and very reliable but there is a price for reliability. Loaded with 8 rounds of 124 grain Gold Dot the gun tips the postal scale at 24.1 oz. That is 1 oz heavier than my Beretta Nano with 7 rounds and about 5 oz heavier than my CM9 loaded.

The Shield is pushing Glock 26 weight and the only reason I can pocket is the thickness is .95 where the Glock is 1.18 which makes a big difference in your front pocket.

The 24 oz was not as much of a shock to my system as when I went from the CM9 pocket to the Beretta Nano. The extra 3.5 oz was felt. If a person is going to jog or bike the gun needs to either go in a fanny pack or use a belly holster. I have biked with 24 oz in my pocket and it does not work.

Isn't it funny the difference a few ozs make?
The feeling of carrying my G27 at ~20 oz and my MK40 at ~25 is dramatic.
I'm totally spoiled with my S&W 342 ti.
The little titanium 38 weights an amazing 11.1 oz empty.
And 13.5 oz loaded with 5 135 gr Speer GDHP Short Barrel P+ SD rounds.

[340pd]

Originally Posted by Barth

Isn't it funny the difference a few ozs make?
The feeling of carrying my G27 at ~20 oz and my MK40 at ~25 is dramatic.
I'm totally spoiled with my S&W 342 ti.
The little titanium 38 weights an amazing 11.1 oz empty.
And 13.5 oz loaded with 5 135 gr Speer GDHP Short Barrel P+ SD rounds.

You are correct sir.