Less expensive jhp ammo

[Dietrich]

This question is one that I`ve been tossing around in my head for a few weeks now and I want some definitive answers from those here.I have bought some Remington 230 grain jhp and Winchester white box 230 grain jhp from Wallyworld.I wanted to see how less expensive hp rounds were handled by my guns.Both run fine in my two .45s.Are they so ineffective that one would be foolish to carry either of those rounds for self defense?I mean,let`s face it.Most civilian SD shootings don`t require shooting through barriers.Heck,a lot of the time merely the presence of a gun stops aggression.But if you do have to pull the trigger,would you be running a much larger risk of failing to stop the BG using this ammunition? I currently carry Remington Bonded 230 grain Golden Saber but it is prohibitively expensive to practice with.It would be nice to be able to practice with what I carry for self defense and that would be a lot easier with the cheaper ammo.Don`t misunderstand what I am saying.If this ammo is dung I`ll drop it like a bad habit but if it`s reasonably functional I`d like to know.Bonded GS in 230 grain ain`t easy to find.Or pay for.

[jlottmc]

I have had exactly zero problems with that kind of stuff. In fact I keep most of my guns loaded with BVAC re-manufactured hollow points. I have one 40 that is still loaded with Winchester Rangers in the 180gr variety. I even have the CZ 52 loaded with Wolf hollow points. No worries. My GP100 is loaded with Winchester 110gr semi-jacketed hollow points, and all that is because 1 it's available, and 2 I can pay for it, as well as 3 it works just fine.

[wyntrout]

If it functions in your pistols, that's the biggie. I saw the Winchester JHP for $29.95 a box of 50 in Wally World back when that was about all there was on the slelf with any consistency. I never really thought about using it for self defense, though.

I switched from Golden Sabers to the Bonded Golden Sabers and thought I had a real winner there, until I couldn't get any more. Then I switched to Speer Short-Barrel Gold Dots 'cause I wanted a known performer and I needed something for my PM45 with its short barrel.

I'm still using the Bonded GS in the S7W 645 for home defense and haven't really set the 4" Champion up for any defensive use, yet. I did buy a bunch of regular 230-gr Gold Dots for those two..., as replacements when the Bonded GS runs out.

I think the SB GD was about $21/20 and the regular $26 or so for 50. I do want to stick with the bonded bullets... and the ones designed for short barrels where applicable.

The "regular" 230-gr JHPs should work fine, though. I think they'll work well on the BG's... better than they do on paper and water bottles, etc.

Wynn

[yqtszhj]

I buy the federal "classic" 115 grain JHP in 9mm from cheaper than dirt for my CW9 and now my CM9. less than 17 dollars per 50, feeds really well, cheap enough I can practice with it, and it expands well in a milk jug test. Now it's not a Gold Dot like in my .380 but I didn't pay a dollar a round either.

[500KV]

I've noticed that several guys, who really know a lot about handguns, SD, etc. use 230gr FMJ in their .45ACP carry guns.
I also know some who say you're giving up something by not using hollow points.
So, as with everything, there's that diffrence of opinion.

While I carry Ranger T's in mine, I wouldn't really feel any less well armed with 230gr hardball.
Now, let us know what you decide.

[wyntrout]

FMJ is required on the battlefield, but a poor choice for shooting at people, since you are endangering people behind and beyond the targeted BG, and behind "flimsy" walls, even! Over penetration is not a desired "feature" when considering ammo for defense.

That said, it might be a must for the NORTHERN climes and heavy winter clothing, especially if you insist on carrying a .380 or lighter caliber weapon.

Wynn

[O'Dell]

I buy it whenever I can find it, and yes, I sometimes carry it. There's no such thing as an ineffective 230 gr 45 ACP.

[500KV]

Originally Posted by O'Dell

I buy it whenever I can find it, and yes, I sometimes carry it. There's no such thing as an ineffective 230 gr 45 ACP.

^^^^
This.
We're strictly talking .45ACP now.

[500KV]

Originally Posted by wyntrout

FMJ is required on the battlefield, but a poor choice for shooting at people, since you are endangering people behind and beyond the targeted BG, and behind "flimsy" walls, even! Over penetration is not a desired "feature" when considering ammo for defense.

That said, it might be a must for the NORTHERN climes and heavy winter clothing, especially if you insist on carrying a .380 or lighter caliber weapon.

Wynn

I wouldn't think you would need to worry about over penetration from a 230gr FMJ from a 3 or 4" barrel, maybe it could happen, and if you don't hit the perp you're shooting at I would bet you'd have much more serious concerns than hitting an innocent bystander.
JMHO.

[jocko]

Originally Posted by O'Dell

I buy it whenever I can find it, and yes, I sometimes carry it. There's no such thing as an ineffective 230 gr 45 ACP.

good point,there ol wise one