slides/frames on TP9 and P9, mine seem to be interchangeable

[chrish]

So, this has been discussed in a couple threads over the years. I had never tried it, but out of sheer boredom today (i should be working) I pulled them out of my range bag and tried swapping parts around. I blame my recent Sig P250 purchase and the desire to have interchangeable parts between guns.

Anyway...

My TP9 slide fits right on my P9 frame, seems to fully cycle. Pretty much makes the original TP9 w/ the shorter grip.

Conversely, and actually more interesting to me is what I'll call a P9 'commander' model. My P9 slide fits and fully cycles on the TP9 frame. I find that REALLY COOL. It would look awesome if I cut the end of the TP9 frame down a bit, which I'm not. I guess because of the serial number, you can't just order a TP9 frame from Kahr. But it'd be slick.

I guess I might try them both at the range, but I expect they'd both be fine. The slides come completely back, cock, etc. No expectation they wouldn't function and fire.

...back to work...

[jocko]

possably the poolymer kahrs might indeed swap within certain models. U cannot do that with the steel version via working on the polymer models. I have no doubts the cm9 and PM9 slides are interchangeable

[chrish]

I'm a little concerned only because at least one other member here (ripley) reported in another TP9 thread that his TP/P were NOT interchangeable, his slide wouldn't go completely on (TP slide on the P9 frame). Someone had asked about making an 'original' TP platform w/ the shorter grip for better concealment. So, not sure I want to put an actual round thru it to find out it breaks my gun or injures me...but I can't see how...seems totally fine (famous last words...watch this).

I really like the look of the shorter slide on the longer grip. Looks tough. But I'd have to be able to get an extra TP frame somehow. No way I'm going to cut my TP frame down. Given that the frame is the serial number, not likely to happen.

[jocko]

other than it being different if u did the mods, it would IMO not really prove alot.

The fact that u don't wannt put a round through it, kinda tells me ur also not conviinced it would do no harm. Smart move on your part, IMO.

UPut um back together like they were made, and just shoot um like u stole it. U cannot buy another frame either. u can buy another gun but a no-no on the frame..

[ripley16]

I'm a little concerned only because at least one other member here (ripley) reported in another TP9 thread that his TP/P were NOT interchangeable, his slide wouldn't go completely on (TP slide on the P9 frame)



This is correct. I'll add that my P9 is an older model and my TP9 is much newer. Perhaps this is why mine did not meld together. The barrel lugs on my barrels differ in shape and size, making them incompatable.

[chrish]

Yep, that's probably it. My barrel lugs are exactly the same.

But I'm definitely leaving well enough alone, just found it curious and kinda neat...a 'commander' version, longer grip/shorter barrel. But as jocko said, just going to keep shootin em like i stole em and not worry about it. I'll save my interchanging fix for the Sig and some upcoming exchange kits.

[clance]

I have an original TP-9 with the short P frame and just love how it feels in my hand and how easily it conceals on my person. It's a definate keeper!:cheer2:

While visiting my daughter's family, my son in law and I were talking about him getting him a Kahr for conceal carry. He's pretty much settled on the P9 for its size even though he likes how my TP feels.

During our coversation he ask me about the length of the grip on my TP. I was a little puzzled but told him that it was the same as the standard P, that is when he brought up the internet and show me on the Kahr's site that they changed this wonderful pistol's grip length.

Production or conceal carry market wise I don't see the sense of producing a polymer frame with the grip length of the Tactical for a conceal carry piece.

Can some one explain to me what is/was on Kahr mind that they felt it necessary to increase the size of the grip? :crazy:

[chrish]

Only reasoning that comes to mind is that the extra half inch in the barrel doesnt help accuracy that much, but the extra grip gives you an extra round and it keeps the tp in line with the all metal t series. I dont find it any less concealable, its smaller than anything other than the rest of the kahr line and a few others here and there. The original tp was just a p basically, so my guess was they saw them as the same gun and decided to differentiate them more.

[CJB]

PICTURE!!!!! (please)

[clance]

This was my daily carry combo (still carry the knifes) for the last 6 or 7 years, up to the time a couple months ago, before I got a Chiappa Rhino 200DS .357 mag. I still carry it when I'm knocking around in my jeans and a lose shirt, tucking it in my waste band being a convinent and easy way to conceal it. While a 1/2 inch isn't much in the scheme of things, if 5" inches doesn't matter then why not carry a full size 1911 with a 5-1/4" height. When it come to concealibility IMO a 1/2" does matter
http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy135/stmichps/DailyCarry.jpg

[jocko]

I have an original TP-9 with the short P frame and just love how it feels in my hand and how easily it conceals on my person. It's a definate keeper!:cheer2:

While visiting my daughter's family, my son in law and I were talking about him getting him a Kahr for conceal carry. He's pretty much settled on the P9 for its size even though he likes how my TP feels.

During our coversation he ask me about the length of the grip on my TP. I was a little puzzled but told him that it was the same as the standard P, that is when he brought up the internet and show me on the Kahr's site that they changed this wonderful pistol's grip length.

Production or conceal carry market wise I don't see the sense of producing a polymer frame with the grip length of the Tactical for a conceal carry piece.

Can some one explain to me what is/was on Kahr mind that they felt it necessary to increase the size of the grip? :crazy:

do u say the short P9 frame. could it not be that soeone did a covert to the tp frame to make itlook like the P9 frames. where wouldonejust get a P9 frame??? Kahr won't sellum. We have seen cverts dne on other polymer kahrs, I would figure a covert cold easily be done on the tp series just as easy. Just sayin

from the photo it certainly looks like a P frame by the amount of front slide being left out. I wonder just how much of the front slide channel isw actualy engaged in the P9 frame front inbedded rail.., as it looks to me like that slide sticks out a hell of alot. Just saying..

[chrish]

jocko, from his pic, that's an original TP9. So it's not cut, check out the bottom of the grip, smooth border between the side texture and the front/back checkering.

The TP9 originally came in the format of the pic posted just above. It was originally a frame the size of a normal P9 with a .5" longer slide/barrel. I prefer the look of the current TP and P, just thought it looked stretched in that format.

I've seen some pics of P9 'covert' pistols that folks have chopped. They are pretty much a PM9 frame w/ a P9 slide/barrel. But on those, you can easily see where what they've cut off the grip makes it

I agree, no doubt that the original TP9 was a bit more concealable. Just wasn't enough to be a big deal for me. I carry both, but more often I do carry the P9.

clance... picts of your Chiappa are now required :) That's on my short list. I want that .357 bad bad bad!

[clance]

clance... picts of your Chiappa are now required :) That's on my short list. I want that .357 bad bad bad!

As soon as I get back to the house I would be glad to post a picture or two of the Rhino.

It's a great revolver that has little muzzle flip with .357 and none with .38 +Ps. To think that is out of a 2" inch alloy gun. :eek: If you ever shot a 2-1/2 inch 640 Smith or a SP-101 Ruger loaded with .357s you know what I mean!

I instantly fell for it the first time I shot one and would highly recommand one over either a J-frame Smith or a SP-101 Ruger as a conceal carry piece. Yes, it's not as pretty as a nickel plated or high polish blue Smith, Colt or Ruger but boy does it got it where it counts!:cheer2: The only thing that I don't like about it is that Chiappa mount rubber grips on it instead of nylon or wood. While I understand that they probably did that to reduce felt recoil in the palm of your hand (and with .357 you do feel it even with the rubber grips). The rubber grips grab at clothing, something that you do not want with a conceal carry piece. As soon as I can I plan on replacing the rubber grips with large wood one so that I can modify the grips to fit my hand.

EDIT:

As promise a couple pictures of my Rhino in comparison to my TP-9.

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy135/stmichps/Kahr-Rhinocomparison1.jpg



Of course the Rhino is thicker then the TP for obvious reasons, but the height is approximately the same and the length is approximately the same as one of the P series. Of course the TP conceals easier due to in thin profile, but the holster included with the Rhino does a great job of hiding it's bulk.
http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy135/stmichps/Kahr-Rhinocomparison2.jpg

[Gangplank]

I picked up a used TP9 today. It's the original frame model w/ shorter grip & frame.

[MikeyKahr]

Congrats gangplank, the TP9 is on my to buy list one of these days. Please tell us how it shoots for you.

[ripley16]

I picked up a used TP9 today. It's the original frame model w/ shorter grip & frame.

Welcome to the forum and nice find in the TP9. They are fairly rare. Thought this would be a good spot to picture the "new style" TP9. It is differentiated by the longer grip and longer dust cover. I've toyed with the idea of chopping my long grip, but haven't felt the need yet.

New style TP.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/ripley16/Pistols/Kahr/TP9002.jpg

[Gangplank]

Here is a pic of the orig format w/ The 7rnd mag installed and showing the 8rnd mags w/ extender.

Measurements are 6.5" length x right about 4.5 from slide to end of handle (w/ sights it's about 4.75". 4.0" barrel I believe.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/01/epyjamyt.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/01/eba6u4us.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/01/ymevugy9.jpg

The tiles are 5.75 according to my tape.

[jocko]

nice tiles: Just sayin

[jocko]

Welcome to the forum and nice find in the TP9. They are fairly rare. Thought this would be a good spot to picture the "new style" TP9. It is differentiated by the longer grip and longer dust cover. I've toyed with the idea of chopping my long grip, but haven't felt the need yet.

New style TP.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/ripley16/Pistols/Kahr/TP9002.jpg

like urs compared to the outter version. Kinda makes methink they indeed startedout with the TP9 using the P9 lower

[Gangplank]

Agreed. The orig. looks like P9 frame w/ T9 upper. That said the grip length seem good for my hands w/ out the extension. Pinky fits right on the end. Will know more when I shoot it. :~>

The newer is more flush at the muzzle but the grip is definitely longer.

[jocko]

Here is a pic of the orig format w/ The 7rnd mag installed and showing the 8rnd mags w/ extender.

Measurements are 6.5" length x right about 4.5 from slide to end of handle (w/ sights it's about 4.75". 4.0" barrel I believe.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/01/epyjamyt.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/01/eba6u4us.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/01/ymevugy9.jpg

The tiles are 5.75 according to my tape.

be all wet on this to. but IMO this gun being u bought it used has had some serious mods done to it. I just think someone bought the T slide and put it on the P frame. Maybe not, but Have u checked with kahr with your photo to see and verify what exactly has changed and about when. it would be intersting to know this...

[ripley16]

be all wet on this to. but IMO this gun being u bought it used has had some serious mods done to it. I just think someone bought the T slide and put it on the P frame. Maybe not, but Have u checked with kahr with your photo to see and verify what exactly has changed and about when. it would be intersting to know this...

This is perfectly normal for the original TP9, nothing altered or changed. Here's another photo of one with the extended mag. The original TP was sold with one 7 and one 8 round mag.

The TP changed a few years ago.

Here's another one...
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb249/Texnev/guns/other%20handguns/tp9.jpg

[Gangplank]

Lots of pics showing the orig style and new style. Anyone know what date or serial number that they changed it?

http://www.google.com/search?q=kahr+tp9&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=qTHiUOtwp5LYBfyFgegP&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=320&bih=416#p=1

[jocko]

thanks, big change for sure. Hate that butt ugly extended magazine floor plate..Make su think they run out of plastic.

[Gangplank]

Agree on the mags. It looks better w/ the flush 7rnd vs. extended 8rnd mag. I real life use the 7rnd will be std. The 8rnd mag is the backup or range mag.

I'm trying to locate info on what year/serial number the change happened.

[Gangplank]

Correction: I think the height measurement might be ~4.875" looking at the photos again. I'm really curious what the factory official specs are for the early model TP9.

[jocko]

Kahr is very slow about keeping their webb site up to date. If u look they still show the blunt noxe PM9 PM40- which has not been made for a few years..

[ripley16]

Correction: I think the height measurement might be ~4.875" looking at the photos again. I'm really curious what the factory official specs are for the early model TP9.

The same as a P9.

[Gangplank]

The same as a P9.

Yep. Confirmed that today via Kahr customer service.

[jpshaw]

Next question! Will the TP barrel fit on the P9 slide and frame? I know it wouldn't give you any more sight radius but it would give a bit more velocity to the P9 or CW9.