Stopping Power - What do LEO's Use?

The movies have long given the mistaken impression that a bullet through the heart or nearby will drop a BG in the blink of an eye. The ONLY thing that will do that is a good hit to the central nervous system... brain or spinal column high enough to cut off the arms and legs mobility. A sufficiently motivated BG... or one hyped up on drugs... can still kill you with a knife OR a gun. It's not the f***ing movies. A .22 through the heart can be "overlooked" long enough for someone to finish the task at hand. That's why you don't wait and see if the last shot is stopping the BG... you keep shooting until he has stopped being a threat... as lying on the floor. It's also why larger caliber bullets that get their attention are better man stoppers!

It's like shooting zombies... if chest shots don't work, why keep shooting center of mass... armor?? Head shot = lights out!

Wynn:)

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Originally Posted by ORSalesRep

I have purchased Federal HST online and I am not a LEO. Right now though my preference is the Winchester PDX1 line. The core and Jacket are bonded and if it is good enough to pass the FBI testing and win the contract from them, it is good enough for me.

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My experience with gov't contracts is that they go to the lowest (cheapest) bidder, not always the best product. The shape of the Winchester PDX1 has been a problem in a few guns, usually polishing clears that up. I've tried PDX in 45ACP and they fed well.

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Originally Posted by Bill K

Please don't misunderstand me... I'm not advocating ball ammo (well maybe .380 winter time with folks wearing heavy clothing). Just asking the question.

And yes, we shoot to stop the action. When the action stops the shooting stops - in the ideal world.

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Understood. Also, I wasn't trying to make a PSA for the "I shoot to stop the threat" mantra. Sufficed to say (and before I get misinterpreted again) I agree with Wynn. A slow bleed out takes time, which is what you don't have in a life or death situation.

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Originally Posted by hss.strat

Understood. Also, I wasn't trying to make a PSA for the "I shoot to stop the threat" mantra. Sufficed to say (and before I get misinterpreted again) I agree with Wynn. A slow bleed out takes time, which is what you don't have in a life or death situation.

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Seems like exploding bullets would be the answer for a quick stop. The liberals and lawyers need to get out of it. Banning HP bullets and stuff! A gun is a deadly weapon. A man stopper. Anything that can improve the quickness and effectiveness of it will save LEOs lives. JMHO.

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Originally Posted by JFootin

Seems like exploding bullets would be the answer for a quick stop. The liberals and lawyers need to get out of it. Banning HP bullets and stuff! A gun is a deadly weapon. A man stopper. Anything that can improve the quickness and effectiveness of it will save LEOs lives. JMHO.

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Those phased 40 mega watt lasers always work!

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Originally Posted by Ubaldo99

I apologize in advance if this topic has already been covered, but reading several recent posts has raised this question in my mind: Stopping power of chambered rounds...Are JHP's superior to FMJ's... and what do LEO's use? Are LEO's even permitted to use JHP rounds?

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Stop worrying about stopping power and keep shooting until the perp stops moving. Works every time it's tried.

A lot of folks like me just want to see a relative comparison of striking power between calibers. I saw the Hickok45 video where he shoots several at the same steel swinging target one after the other. It is not scientific nor indicative of anything except one caliber seems to hit the plate with greater energy than another.

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Originally Posted by OldLincoln

A lot of folks like me just want to see a relative comparison of striking power between calibers. I saw the Hickok45 video where he shoots several at the same steel swinging target one after the other. It is not scientific nor indicative of anything except one caliber seems to hit the plate with greater energy than another.

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How hard it hits is no where near as important as where it hits.

as far as "stopping power" is concerned the theory is the more energy transferred and larger the wound cavity = more stopping power. an expanding round is going to do both as well as reducing the issue of passing thru the target and doing unintentional harm. leos can and (as youve read here) use hollow points because they are more effective. the feds have gone with the win pdx1 line for a few reasons and is what most leo's i know are carrying and is what i carry now (few yrs) too. here is a quote from their site:
"The new Winchester Supreme Elite Bonded PDX1, which was chosen by the FBI as their primary service round, is now available in a full line of popular handgun calibers. The Bonded PDX1 is engineered to maximize terminal ballistics, as defined by the demanding FBI test protocol, which simulates real-world threats. The new Winchester Bonded PDX is offered in 9mm, 40 Smith & Wesson, 45 automatic and .38 special. "