Stopping Power - What do LEO's Use?

[Barth]

I apologize in advance if this topic has already been covered, but reading several recent posts has raised this question in my mind: Stopping power of chambered rounds...Are JHP's superior to FMJ's... and what do LEO's use? Are LEO's even permitted to use JHP rounds?

I only shoot LE ammo in my autos.
Most folks don't use FMJ for anything except target loads.
High tech bullets come in all varieties depending on the purpose.
http://le.atk.com/

Generally speaking;
1) Most State and Federal LE agencies switch contracts between
Federal, Speer and Winchester depending on price.
2) Most officers are issued Speer GDHP, Federal HST or Winchester Ranger HP.

I'm not in law enforcement.
But I did spend last night at a Holiday Inn Express!

[hss.strat]

LEO use JHP. I agree 100% with Barth.

The only exception I can think of is New Jersey. The ONLY state (that I know of) that actually outlawed hollow point ammunition. Including their law enforcement. Don't travel to NJ with a gun loaded with HP.

[knkali]

LEO use JHP. I agree 100% with Barth.

The only exception I can think of is New Jersey. The ONLY state (that I know of) that actually outlawed hollow point ammunition. Including their law enforcement. Don't travel to NJ with a gun loaded with HP.

wonder why

[ripley16]

The two rounds I've seen used most are the ubiquitous Gold Dot, a great round trusted for it's consistency and quality and the newer Winchester PDX1.

[Longitude Zero]

230 grain Federal HST JHP's.

[espresso]

I also buy the 50-round boxes of Gold Dots because they are cheaper for practice and to use in my 5" .45's.

Wynn

I've looked around town and haven't been able to find any 50 Rd boxes of self defense ammo (9mm) other than WWB from Wally world. Are you buying this at a brick n mortar store or online?

[Bill K]

This is probably just urban legend but I've seen written that ball ammo winds up being more lethal because it takes more shots to stop the action and with pass through more bleeding out. Make any sense?

[wyntrout]

I've looked around town and haven't been able to find any 50 Rd boxes of self defense ammo (9mm) other than WWB from Wally world. Are you buying this at a brick n mortar store or online?

I haven't looked locally. You can find LE-type 50-round boxes of Duty ammo at gun shows and online. The Short-Barrel version is only available in 20-round boxes at $1 to $2 a bullet, depending on the seller. That stuff is usually marked up a lot. I try to get the short barrel version for as close to $20 a box as I can. The duty ammo can be found for $27, give or take a few bucks, or more... online. You have to search and see who has what you want and the best prices, including shipping and no tax. Some sellers only sell to LE or military... active or retired.

Sometimes you hear of good deals here on the forum. I try to pass along any deals I find, but have found some good buys mentioned here.

From time to time, Cabela's has $20 off coupons or Free shipping on orders over $99 or $150... varies. Sometimes they do that and have stuff on sale or clearance, too. When I can meet all of my objectives on good deals.

If you're buying a case, or half a case, or just enough to meet the dollar limit, you can get free shipping or better.

When I buy defense ammo, I buy the Duty stuff in 50-round boxes for the range and longer barreled guns, and the Short Barrel version for CCW.

Here are some online sellers. The prices vary and are not always bargains, but some place to start. They are not in any order... cheapest or whatever. I've used ammoengine, but they aren't very inclusive or exhaustive... leaving a lot to be desired.

http://www.ammoengine.com/find/ammo/9mm

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php

http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/brows...on/_/N-1100189 *** coupon now $5 shipping on orders >$99.

http://www.prestostore.com/cgi-bin/s...pig27&ct=65200

http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/pistol...ition/9mm-9x19

http://bellsouthpwp2.net/s/c/scgunguy/rangerlist.htm

http://www.a1ammo.com/ammo-form/inde...TOKEN=38661149

http://www.kylesgunshop.com/store.ph...16&per=5&num=5

http://www.ammoman.com/

http://www.gtdist.com/Category.aspx?Category=GUNAM

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/s...ing.aspx?d=121

http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_s...html/ammo.html

http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/...y/categoryId/1

This is not by any means a complete list. You can Google or search for the ammo you want. It takes time to find what you want at the price you want, but it's a place to start.

Save your own bookmarks and "join" their news letters or deal alerts, too.

Wynn I copied this and posted it under the Ammunition Sub-Forum, too. If I think of any more, I'll post them at my Ammunition thread... and anyone can add theirs, too, keeping the thread bumped from time to time:

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?p=136527#post136527



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[DKD]

KNKALI,

Your question regarding FMJ bullets VS HP is bit more complicated. Yes FMJ over penetrate, however a 9mm FMJ vs a 45 ACP FMJ given equal muzzle energy...the 45 wins hand down as far as stopping power. This is due to the mass of the bullet and its bullet diameter, which has the ability to transmit its enegy more effectivley to the target.
Second point... when two shots are in the same immediate area, there are two factors one encounters, first is not only the size of the permanent wound channel, there is also the temporary wound channel called the crushed cavity which disrupts the surrounding tissues and vital organs as well. In any event hollow points do a better job than FMJ's and tender to penetrate a bit less to minimize the effects of over penetration in unitended secondary targets.

[espresso]

thanks wyntrout, I'll look online or check the local gun show that comes aroud here a few times a year.